2020 Supra Transmission Chat - Manual, Dual Clutch, or Auto?

[Spilner]

Yeah I'll post the interview when I get the chance. Basically, Toyota Safety Sense is fully compatible with the manual transmission. And when asked if future Toyotas are going to have manual transmissions, he said, "Yes, I am hoping", so take that as you will.

When I asked about the Supra, a swarm of PR people jumped up and said, "NO NO NO, we can only talk about the Corolla"

That is interesting

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[MA617M]

I thought we knew this?

The issue is not TSS and manual, but TSS and BMW chassis electronic systems (and manual trans)?

 

[Supraman]

So no production Supra (we kinda knew) and no GR Supra racing concept at the NYIAS either?

I just don't get it Toyota. Maybe they want a break from all the negativity that's been floating around the car lately.

 

[Lexusisf]

Thanks Guff. Thats funny mention Supra and No No No...has there ever been a car where a brand has been so secretive about a new model release?

 

[Prius_F_Sport]

Lol the song No No No by thefatrat

Tada-san is playing with us IMO. He's letting the public brew up rumors, then spoiling them one by one. Geneva? Gives us a racing concept. NY? Nothing! Manual tranny? "Ehh, the market isn't big enough." I feel like the PR people are going to bang their heads every time he cracks another one of these fails till they've made a permanent hood scoop in each Supra concept Toyota has.
No beef on the Supra itself, it's just that I'm really triggered waiting.

 

[Timmo598]

I love my Toyota Sports cars.

But I'm actually thinking of getting a used Nismo 370Z instead due to the 6 speed manual.

I just cant imagine enjoying driving an automatic... sure the Supra looks amazing, but I suppose I have to drive it and see if its fun.

Yeah, I would have to agree with you there too. I think once the price more 370Z NISMO's become second hand here and the price drops.
Ill be heading in that direction too.
I have no doubt that maybe at some point in the future I might end up with the new Supra.
But 370Z NISMO first lol

 

[justinco]

If the car is good enough everywhere else, I would be fine with an automatic trans*. Most definitely would not swap a manual one, even if available as a drop-in (shiny new car, warranty, etc).

*Assuming this automatic trans is something like my Lexus IS-F with its great 8-speed auto the lockout for all gears (except 1st). That car was tons of fun in "manual" sport mode. Sure, not quite as engaging as a manual, but I still loved driving it. A BMW DCT trans would also be a great option IMO.

 

[Lexusisf]

On a different note, the new corolla has Apple Car Play so assume the Supra will too, good news as info tainment is not the best with Lexus...

 

[Australian of The North]

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[WF MKV]

That’s actually ok with me...gives me more time to save up for my down payment...

 

[Supraman]

^^ "We think" being the key words. The Calty video that came out in 2016 showing possibly the Supra under covers said we would see the 'top secret' car next year being 2017 but nothing showed up. I'm feeling pretty good about late 2020 being the year I may actually see one on the road.

By then every current sports car out will have a new cycle update or the next generation of it.

 

[Lexusisf]

I predict we will see the production car sooner, late 2018, on sale early 2019, arriving in dealers spring/summer 2019 as a 2020MY....(reallly hoping this is true)

 

[supraboi]

Another interview via Google Translate (not the best). It was so poorly translated, but I tried to clean it up a bit. Again, if someone here reads Japanese or Chinese maybe you can please give us a better translations. Thanks

Yoshida Yumi's eyes ☆ Toyota "Supra" revival decision! What did you gain with joint development with BMW?

Toyota's sports car "Supra" which finished production in 2002, 16 years ago. Such a famous car of the past year will finally resurrect by the joint development of Toyota and BMW!

On the BMW side, the Z4 concept was announced at Pebble Beach which was held in California in the summer of 2017, and then shown again at the Tokyo Motor Show in 2017.

At the Tokyo Motor Show, I also covered this car, and Toyota President Akio Toyoda visited the BMW booth and encountered the scenes that I checked every detail. ... If it comes to Toyota's version of the next SUPRA, expectations will also rise.

At the Geneva Motor Show 2018, I was excited and headed to the venue as I heard that I could see the next Supra. Finally, the concept model became the world's first show at the venue. Nonetheless, this time it is not a production model, but the race version of GR "SUPRA RACING CONCEPT".

The SUPRA RACING concept wearing a long nose and short deck form which should also be called a sports car tradition uses a lot of light and rigid carbon composite material which is a standard material of the racing car and furthermore has excellent aerodynamic performance and to realize running, left and right overhanging fenders, large rear wings, rear diffusers, etc. are adopted.

In addition, it adopts suspension, wheel, tire, brake etc. dedicated to racing car. The interior also loads items for racing such as roll cage and bucket seat, steering wheel with paddle shift, monitor for backward confirmation, etc.

Indeed, the Supra racing concept feels like battle willingness is full. Although it was not a production available model, it was a bit disappointing personally, but I reworked my mind and asked the chief engineer for questions about the next SUPRA.

Tada, Toyota Motor Corporation, answered. Mr. Tada is familiar as a chief engineer of "86 (Adminroku)".

- Why was this the official release of the race version, not the production model?

Mr. Tada: The next SUPRA has been developed with the aim of making it a racing car from the beginning. When that person modifies to a racing car on the basis of a mass-produced car, it is much more complete as a machine. In other words, in order to run fast in the race, I have polished the base production cars. By the way, the next SUPRA is aiming to be consistent with the "LM - GTE" class which is the racing car regulation of the endurance race.

- When did you start development of the next SUPRA?

Mr. Tada: It is just after we released the 86. When I held 86 test rides for Europe in Spain in 2015, the chairman Takeshi Uchiyamada issued a directive "Come to the BMW of Munich, Germany with a secret! But, I did not tell anyone anything, I went to the site, so I made a big fuss later (bitter smile).

I really gave each other opinions with BMW. Now that I know a lot of things, BMW and Toyota are different from the approach to building a car first. Initially, we intended to make the same cars as possible with BMW, about changing emblem and body color. But they said "Since the cars that we want to make are different, let's think about the best cars in each, let's find the parts that can be shared and the ones that can't". Also, the time spent on development and the budget were all different from what we were thinking. "How to make a car" was different.

- Have you discovered that it is a secret of the running of BMW by being jointly developed this time?

Mr. Tada: BMW's car is evaluated as good handling and running, but I do not know the secret, why it is good. But I understood that BMW's ways of making cars are different from Toyota.

They inject tremendous energy at the start of development. The direction of the car's running is determined by the numerical values of the wheel base and the tread 8 to 90%. I have thought and thought so far, but I firmly decide the golden ratio that purely runs, bends, and stops, and places the mechanisms of the engine and others around it as the axis. I think that I have turned back this time to the fact that it is crucial to do such basic things properly.

- Supra and Z4, please tell me the direction each is aiming for.

Mr. Tada: Toyota wants to make Supra a pure sports car, and BMW is thinking of making [the] Z4 a luxury sports car, each aiming for the best of each other.

By bringing 86 to the world, Toyota aroused the enthusiasm of sports car fans all over the world, and eventually it became a long-awaited Supra theory. Especially the demand from the American market was high. But the next SUPRA, we wanted to be a car that fits the modern technology and era, not the revival of the former model. As a result of that, what kind of car is Supra? And, as a result of thinking variously, two conclusions came out. One is that the engine to be mounted is six in-line. And the other is FR layout.

- Do you have a benchmarked car in developing the next Supra?

Mr. Tada: That's fine, Porsche. I do not want to make the Supra a work of art, but I want to make it a sports car as an industrial product to the last. When thinking so, Porsche is a tremendous existence. It is amazing to ride a Porsche, it feels like handling and sensuality of the engine. This was also a very useful reference for the development of the next SUPRA.

- By the way, is MT prepared for the next SUPRA?

Mr. Tada: At the moment, it is not; it is just a dual clutch transmission. I think whether it is not fun if MT is a large power car like the next SUPRA. Raising the torque of the engine will make the shift feel worse. If so, it is very doubtful whether MT specification is necessary. However, I think that there is a meaning of MT adoption if it is said that even general people will taste the sequential type transmission installed in the racing car.

By the way, it is said that the official announcement of the production version I'm looking forward to will be about fall of 2018. Anyway, I am looking forward to the debut of the next SUPRA!

https://news.infoseek.co.jp/article/goodspress_151129/

 

[Prius_F_Sport]

@above that seems like a realistic timeline. Anyone know of some big car shows coming up at the end of this year?

"We think"
"Might be of interest"
Either the Toyota public communications department has a serious hearing problem, or they're legit about it.
I really hope.
What I also would like to see is a bit of KERS; this is a $60k sports car from 2019.

 

[Lexusisf]

All planned I am sure to be vague and none commital on purpose, A70 was a master at it...

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