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2020 Supra Transmission Chat - Manual, Dual Clutch, or Auto?

What kind of transmission are you hoping for?

  • Manual

    Votes: 72 67.9%
  • DCT

    Votes: 26 24.5%
  • Auto

    Votes: 8 7.5%

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Turbo flat-4, basically a diminutive version of the WRX engine...
I think the only ones complaining are those like 40+ years old who want a small sports car and then notice it doesn't have the power of "their type" of sports car.
Anyone who realises the full potential of this engine and chassis and has a bit of pocket money for bolt-ons will instantly be impressed.
After all, this was designed as a small, underpowered little thing that was meant to be tuned and customized.
I even saw a BMW V-10 swap in one of these.
It’s not always about modding.. sometimes you just want a car out of the box that’s fun without any compromises... if you see what Tada said.. that chassis wasn’t really meant to be for more power than what it came out of the box and that is something they are fixing with the upcoming car that has a lot of buffer built into the chassis to handle more power.
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Issue is.. they are setting up the car for failure and then blame the market for its failure. Not understanding what the market wants vs. see we made it and it didn’t sell. If the FRS/BRZ packed 240-250hp.. it would’ve sold so much more. But the lack of power is pretty much the complaint every person that reviewed it stated. Test driving one left me wanting the same when this car first came out and I never looked at it after even though it’s a decent looking car.
I dont feel they are setting it up to fail, we will be disappointed without a manual and maybe not the horsepower we want stock, but I still feel the car will be a big sucess overall, pent up demand over the years, beautiful design, Toyota build qualify and reliability, and easily to mod...
 

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Disagree with the above. Enthusiasts will be buying this car- and a lot of enthusiasts prefer a manual-plain and simple. Manuals are also a bit more mod friendly and less likely to go wrong- one of the reasons why I didn’t buy a GTR- I’m scared of the $12k I would have to pay to replace the gearbox if sh*t hit the fan. This is also the same reason I sold my DSG golf R32 after the warranty ran out. The ZF8 is somewhat reliable (more so than the DCT) so I would be OK with this, anything else and I will not buy it. You also have to think about the resale value of these cars in 10yrs or so- who would buy a DCT out of warranty? Not me that’s for sure, and I doubt younger people would take the risk either. This would also have an effect on the “cult” status of the car in the future. Toyota will be shooting themselves in the foot if a manual isn’t offered.
 

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Australian... lol you obviously haven’t been blue balled by Toyota before. Maybe cause you just got into Toyotas. But I like your positive outlook.

This car maybe a success.. but at 55k, if Toyota offers a automatic only 350-400hp ... it probably won’t be a big seller. There are many alternatives in the US that’ll make the new Supra look like a POS. Their main intention is to build a fun car.. not a fast one.. then a manual is what it requires. If you only care about being fast.. buy a GTR. GTR is not a fun a car.. boring actually. So to say.. I want to build a fun car and not offer a manual is like saying.. I have no idea what I’m building.. but it’ll have a cool name we used before and it’s called a ‘Supra’
 

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They said they were gonna do a TT I6 and an FR setup...
Throw in a manual gearbox and I'll be happy. That's all I want. Power? No problem. Look-at-me styling? Put a bodykit on it or something. Handling? Toyota's already benchmarking it against a damn Porsche 997 GT3 RS. But getting a non-OEM manual and integrating it with TSS-P is way too hard for anyone other than the manufacturer.
I mean, if Tada-san knows a lot more people will buy it.
 

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Gotta disagree. Tada-san confirmed the inline-6, the MkIV style looks likely from the renderings (at least in my eyes), a twin-turbo is definitely going to happen (as a higher-end engine choice), 400hp seems easy from the engine layout, and I already proved we'll have a manual in a previous post of mine.
Not so sure about 2+2, though, because if you've seen the FT-1 and all the production renderings, the roof is way too low to accommodate two rear seats.
Also, $50k USD seems too little. Maybe $55k for a very lightly equipped turbo model.
 

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Sorry, you have proved it will have a manual? please repost here...

In terms of pricing, they need to offer an amazing car, but keep the price under the Lexus RCF/GSF models...
 

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Gotta disagree. Tada-san confirmed the inline-6, the MkIV style looks likely from the renderings (at least in my eyes), a twin-turbo is definitely going to happen (as a higher-end engine choice), 400hp seems easy from the engine layout, and I already proved we'll have a manual in a previous post of mine.
Not so sure about 2+2, though, because if you've seen the FT-1 and all the production renderings, the roof is way too low to accommodate two rear seats.
Also, $50k USD seems too little. Maybe $55k for a very lightly equipped turbo model.
The roof is similar to the 86's
 

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@above exactly. The 86 has two seats.
@2above here you go:
Tada-san is just hiding this fact away till the final reveal, hoping to surprise us fans.

Herewith, proof that we'll have a manual anyway.
The main market for the Supra is as a GT car, then as a tuner car. Tada-san said it himself: he looked to the masses and saw those two groups of buyers. So they'd put a dual-clutch for the GT buyers, and the manual for the many enthusiasts. Anything else would ruin the market for this car. Like, for example, if they offered no auto.
Or if they offered no manual.
And Toyota's a big company with a big money vault and a big reputation. Their reputation and their profit would be screwed if they didn't appeal to the big enthusiast market this car is supposed to appeal to.
Like if they didn't offer a manual.
Finally, this car is created under the Gazoo Racing name. Many of you may have heard the story of Hiromu Naruse and the LFA. It was supposed to be a pure driver's car, able to crush European sports cars into little blotches of aluminum and carbon fibre on their own tracks. The LFA was developed in conjunction with Gazoo Racing and raced under that name, which means that the Supra, also supposedly developed and sold under that name, should embody that same pure driving spirit.
Which means adding a manual.
Q.E.D.

By the way, I know the bashers will say the LFA didn't have a manual. But neither did many of its competitors. The Ferrari 599. The Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG. The Aston Martin DB9. The BMW M6. So there.
 

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The bigger problem here is that your assuming the American market is or should be Toyota's only focus, and its become the theme of this thread. "Make it the way North america wants it". It may be true that in the USA only Enthusiasts will consider the car, and only if it has a manual and high HP - But that's Not true for the rest of the world. There is a much wider and more receptive audience for the car that will purchase it.

The world has 7 billion in it. the USA is only 0.325 of that, is very unique market, an one often in contrast with the rest of the world.
It might surprise you, but Toyota has been selling to the rest of the world for longer than its been in the USA. Hence the reason for people like me who have owned 5 Toyota's to date, 2 of which are MK IV's, In both Australia and the UK, and nothing to do with the USA.

In short - Europe and Japan are far more important to Toyota Globally than North America, with 2bill in china and India on fast catch up. Right now European+Japanese enthusiasts and their trends have more Influence on Toyota global products designs than American.

Which means things are lining up to be a carbon copy of the MK IV program, where Toyota will have to hesitantly make another US specific version again for limited supply on account of the different trends. - The MKIV never was never really successful in the USA, and had to be almost cut and shut to become the odd version out in the line up just to get a look in U.S market share. The MK IV was only successful globally thanks to Japan and Europe where 75% of all MKIV supra's ended up.

At this rate, i see the same thing happening again for the MK V.
Its not critical that the MK V supra be a success in the USA, its predecessor wasn't.

For Toyota, all that matters is that the MKV will sell in the rest of the world, and it will sell very well, based on what the trends are in Europe and japan - because that's where the bulk of the cars will end up - where It wont be only enthusiasts buying, and where its sales wont be affected heavily by a manual Box, or high HP.

If the USA is again in contrast (like the MK IV), then again we will prob see smaller numbers of USA only versions, They will be manual, higher HP, heavier, wheel on the wrong side, drag focused, and everyone will be happy.

That's of course Assuming trump doesn't stick a 75% tariff on foreign cars for you in the US, in which case id suggest sizing up a mustang real quick :(
Lol, I guess you are ok with an auto only MKV Supra.. in that case why are you even in this thread? Toyota obviously thought the R&D they did for the FRS/BRZ would be a success but they were dead wrong. Did u buy a FRS/BRZ? They failed in every market these two are offered so.. stop being a Toyota fanboy. Toyota knows how to make a car.. example MKIV, however, they’ve made more blunders in assuming this is what the market wants than other manufacturers and failed miserably.. example FRS/BRZ and the entire Scion brand.

Oh also I currently have a MKIV Supra, GenV Viper, C7Z06 and a 6th gen Mustang GT at the moment and all in manual. Before this car comes out I’d also have a ND Miata. I appreciate all sorts of cars but just not the automatic ones that are supposed to be a sports car.

Abandoning manuals is the worst thing that can happen to the entire car culture. Owning cars in Europe and Japan itself is an expensive item much less owning a sports car. Toyota’s target market for this car is the US.. lol they sell more cars in the US than any other market. Wanna talk polictics.. every damn manufacturer has been abandoning the Aussie land for manufacturing.. maybe you can size up a kangaroo in automatic.
 
 








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