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so, I downloaded a bunch of CD music on a USB stick. When used in 2018 4runner limited, all the album avatars show on the screen, but when I use it in the Supra, no album avatars shown on screen????? Is it a BMW thing.
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so, I downloaded a bunch of CD music on a USB stick. When used in 2018 4runner limited, all the album avatars show on the screen, but when I use it in the Supra, no album avatars shown on screen????? Is it a BMW thing.
Album art should appear. I have a DAP and put it in USB drive mode and all my music showed up fine. It even has a cover flow mode like the good ol iPhones and iPods haha.
 

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Do you have the album art as just a file in the folder or as the cover image in the ID3 tag of each song file?
 
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Do you have the album art as just a file in the folder or as the cover image in the ID3 tag of each song file?
All the album art show fine in 4runnerlimited, but no album art showing on supra. The names of album, artist, and song names show up in supra. But no album art.
 

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All the album art show fine in 4runnerlimited, but no album art showing on supra. The names of album, artist, and song names show up in supra. But no album art.
It sounds like the image isn't in the tag... or that there is some other issue with it if it is. While it's technically possible to embed an image of any size, it's rare for them to be too large. I did test that when I was messing around with the formats a couple years ago - but I forget what the limit was. I'd say smaller than 800X800 is plenty. It's more a matter of total image size than resolution, so bit depth matters IIRC. I think folder images will work, but must be named exactly "Folder.jpg" to work? I'm not sure if the filesystem is case-aware, but it probably is.

You could pick up a free ID3 tag editor online (or depending on what you used to rip CDs it may have one). I've used dBPoweramp Music Converter for ~20 years now. It's not free, but it's fantastic as far as batch processing, converting, ripping, etc. - bit perfect every time. They have a trial period if you wanted to just see if they're in there (it registers an "Edit ID3 tag..." in context menu for all audio file types).

Also not sure on the 4Runner, but in my wife's RX350 there was weirdness involving folder structures... like they had to be numeric only or something (been awhile and the new one doesn't require this).

You can also probably find some help looking on BMW support forums or blogs under "iDrive 6.0 media formats" or similar searches. I spent many hours down that rat-hole... hopefully, this will save you some of the headache. :thumbsup:
 
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It sounds like the image isn't in the tag... or that there is some other issue with it if it is. While it's technically possible to embed an image of any size, it's rare for them to be too large. I did test that when I was messing around with the formats a couple years ago - but I forget what the limit was. I'd say smaller than 800X800 is plenty. It's more a matter of total image size than resolution, so bit depth matters IIRC. I think folder images will work, but must be named exactly "Folder.jpg" to work? I'm not sure if the filesystem is case-aware, but it probably is.

You could pick up a free ID3 tag editor online (or depending on what you used to rip CDs it may have one). I've used dBPoweramp Music Converter for ~20 years now. It's not free, but it's fantastic as far as batch processing, converting, ripping, etc. - bit perfect every time. They have a trial period if you wanted to just see if they're in there (it registers an "Edit ID3 tag..." in context menu for all audio file types).

Also not sure on the 4Runner, but in my wife's RX350 there was weirdness involving folder structures... like they had to be numeric only or something (been awhile and the new one doesn't require this).

You can also probably find some help looking on BMW support forums or blogs under "iDrive 6.0 media formats" or similar searches. I spent many hours down that rat-hole... hopefully, this will save you some of the headache. :thumbsup:
I'm still having a hard time figuring out. The same usb stick works fine in the 2018 4runner limited, but not in the supra. Thanks for the suggestions.
 

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I'm still having a hard time figuring out. The same usb stick works fine in the 2018 4runner limited, but not in the supra. Thanks for the suggestions.
Yeah, Toyota is usually about 5 years behind BMW in technology... which should make it easier, but often does not. When I used my thumbdrive from my '16 RC-F - I didn't have artwork either... it would download generic pictures on some (just like satellite radio does) but not load from the folders. I know embedding the images works, but can't remember if renaming to "Folder.jpg" (in the root) did as well or not. :dunno:
 
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Yeah, Toyota is usually about 5 years behind BMW in technology... which should make it easier, but often does not. When I used my thumbdrive from my '16 RC-F - I didn't have artwork either... it would download generic pictures on some (just like satellite radio does) but not load from the folders. I know embedding the images works, but can't remember if renaming to "Folder.jpg" (in the root) did as well or not. :dunno:
While searching Google, it seems newer toyotas did some changes on album art, and SiriusXM's art. My SiriusXM's art never shows song art, just band name and song playing. Just a SiriusXM's art banner. So who knows wtf is going on.
 

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I've tried figuring this out since I got my car too. I'm rectally rigid about capitalization, correct spelling, album art, ect, so that really annoys me too. I gave up and just paired with my phone via Bluetooth.
 

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I use Tag& Rename. Add both ID3TagV1 & V2. Just an assumption. I haven't tried usb on Supra. Don't see why it wouldn't work..
 

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I use Tag& Rename. Add both ID3TagV1 & V2. Just an assumption. I haven't tried usb on Supra. Don't see why it wouldn't work..
Will that allow embedding of artwork in the tag (if not already present)? I'm pretty sure that's why mine works flawlessly now. Everything I ripped has both revisions of ID3 tagging but it still had problems until I downscaled and embedded in cover art field IIRC.
 

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Will that allow embedding of artwork in the tag (if not already present)? I'm pretty sure that's why mine works flawlessly now. Everything I ripped has both revisions of ID3 tagging but it still had problems until I downscaled and embedded in cover art field IIRC.
I think the downscaled photos are it. For my DAP, there's a mix of MP3s and FLACs some with the album art as a separate cover.jpg or embedded. I also had a problem seeing the album art in the player and found out that it didn't support large photos so they're all 600x600. Figuring that out probably helped the Supra display the album art additionally lol.
 

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I think the downscaled photos are it. For my DAP, there's a mix of MP3s and FLACs some with the album art as a separate cover.jpg or embedded. I also had a problem seeing the album art in the player and found out that it didn't support large photos so they're all 600x600. Figuring that out probably helped the Supra display the album art additionally lol.
While there is precious little official information on the specifics of the indexing system - my guess is that it's related to the allocated space for storing data internally. Without going too far into the weeds technologically, I think the covers are actually stored as a blob and therefore have a size limit.

Initial indexing takes a decent amount of time (3-4 minutes for ~250 albums / ~2000 songs) - during this time searches are unavailable and cover do not load. Once done, everything is available almost instantly, furthermore updates to media (adding/removing songs from a stick previously used) are significantly faster than doing everything from scratch.

I'll do some testing to confirm (because science) and report back. Potentially, just reducing bit depth on large images will work. I'll also test for folder images of different formats to confirm which work.
 

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Well, crap... testing revealed that I need many more tests... and I don't know if I care that much. :p

At the very least I can confirm the following:
  • Given enough time, a file up to 3000X3000 resolution will load, but will have problems. File size on disk was only 424KB, since I converted to a 2bit file. This eventually appeared as the cover for the first track in the folder... but all others just showed the USB placeholder icon even after 10 minutes.
  • File size appears much less critical than resolution. A 302KB (embedded) image of 1600X1600 had problems similar to those above, while a 1400X1400 342KB (also embedded) cover displayed instantly.
  • Naming and case are not critical... "Folder.jpg" works of course, but so does "cover.jpg"
  • Anything over 800X800 is total overkill - even 600X600 will be down-scaled slightly in "cover-flow" mode (and everything else is even smaller).
  • The closer to the magic 600X600 the image is, the faster indexing will occur.
  • Album browser is not available until the entire index is complete... and with very large images, even a single artist (with 8 albums in my test case) can take up to 10 minutes the first time. This probably also applies to unnecessary ID3 tags... so if optimizing for just iDrive 6... removing everything other than genre, artist, album artist, album, track number, title, and cover art might increase responsiveness when searching/browsing large libraries (more than 250 albums).
So, if you have a batch converter with ID3 editing - should be easy to set tag removal, cover art rescaling, etc. for optimal speed/size/quality. If you don't... just slap any reasonably sized (800X800 or similar) JPEG called something like "Folder.jpg", "cover.jpg" etc. in the root an it should also display... after indexing completes at the least.

I didn't want to add audio format variables into the mix... since I already did that (see my post above for link) - so these were all ALAC (Apple Lossless - .m4a) files. Not sure if MP3, FLAC, WMA, AAC, etc. would be faster/slower/same.

Also not sure what happens if your folder structure doesn't agree with the ID3 tagging... I could see making a folder with a bunch of songs from different albums creating a lag. Since in this case it will attempt to index both options so you can navigate by folder or by tagged album, song, artist, etc.
 

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Music on that stick came from iTunes and it’s a combination of tracks I purchased from Apple and Amazon, CDs I ripped, and my own music I recorded using Logic and exported to ITunes. Most of the tracks display their artwork on the Supra, both in the album-carrousel browse mode and individual tracks. Just a handful don’t show anything and I haven’t bothered to figure out why.

My own music tracks, as well as a bunch of foreign CDs I ripped didn’t have artwork to display (they don’t exist in the database iTunes calls to pull album info). I added artwork to those tracks and just about all of them display correctly on the Supra.

Adding artwork using a Mac is a simple process and you don’t need high-res files; in fact you can download files from a web image search. There are two ways to do it: iTunes and Finder.
  • In iTunes, in either Songs or Playlist mode:
    • Select all the tracks that are part of an album, a few tracks, or a single track.
    • From Song menu, select Info, or press command-i
    • Click Artwork tab
    • Click “Add Artwork” button and navigate to where image file is and use the Open button to load it. Alternatively, using a Finder window navigate to where the image is and drag-and-drop it into the middle of the iTunes pop-up window.
    • Click OK
  • In Finder (strangely, sometimes above method doesn’t work but this one does though you have to do one track at the time)
    • Navigate to where music track is
    • Select track and from File menu select Get Info, or press command-i
    • Using another Finder window, navigate to where image file is
    • Drag-and-drop image into the Preview area
For those using Windows, I think Windows Media, VLC, and other players allow you to add artwork, but you’ll need to search online for specific steps.

I hope this helps.
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