2022 3.0 oil engine situation (over-consumption) questions

[underdonk]

My personal opinion it is not needed on our b58 set up. I base this on my experience, my tuner and a race team i hang with.

My .02 and I am not a NASA space shuttle level Motor builder myself. It certainly does not hurt anything to have one.

I also don't know anyone who have one that have actually caught anything significant. Does not matter the brand or high side low side etc.

MY .02- your mileage may vary

Thanks for the input. In regards to the passage in your response that I bolded, that has certainly been my experience. It also lines up with everything I've read here. But yeah, like I said, it's basically just an insurance policy for me. There's a part of me that really wants this to be completely ineffective and unnecessary even as an insurance policy, however, because the Verus AOS prevents the installation of just about every aftermarket air intake available (without modification to he intake) for these cars due to where it mounts near the factory intake and the way the hose is routed. And sure, I may be leaving a couple of HP on the table by not having one, but the induction noise they produce is just lovely.

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[zrk]

My personal opinion it is not needed on our b58 set up. I base this on my experience, my tuner and a race team i hang with.

My .02 and I am not a NASA space shuttle level Motor builder myself. It certainly does not hurt anything to have one.


I also don't know anyone who have one that have actually caught anything significant. Does not matter the brand or high side low side etc.

MY .02- your mileage may vary

high hp built motor absolutely does. I don't think any turn-y racing needs this.

 

[FLtrackdays]

high hp built motor absolutely does. I don't think any turn-y racing needs this.

Glad to hear it! If @Rocksandblues doesn’t need it with all the tracking he does and I’m not pulling 1000HP like you, the last thing I want to do is spend mo money! I just want to get this puppy on track now. Free October NASA date set for me. I’m stoked ?
And keep up your straight line thang. It’s bad ass how much power and fast you guys can get your cars to do in a ¼ mile. Been to gator nationals with wife and in-laws. Freaking nuts!!!!!

 

[Rocksandblues]

high hp built motor absolutely does. I don't think any turn-y racing needs this.

Not disagreeing
I am not built nor super high hp.

I am focused on brakes and handling (needs upgrade) more than hp. I only run a 450-470 hp map at track events. stock turbo, stock internals. handling and skill is all you need to be super competitive and fast in these things. I am not the best or fastest by ANY stretch but i am above average and competitive.

I see a lot of Supra guys come to the track with way more HP than skill and handling and they are all over the place and basically fighting themselves and the track.

back to oil.... i also have a oil cap breather which makes ME feel better about crankcase stuff. I can tell it is being used too.

 

[Rocksandblues]

Glad to hear it! If @Rocksandblues doesn’t need it with all the tracking he does and I’m not pulling 1000HP like you, the last thing I want to do is spend mo money! I just want to get this puppy on track now. Free October NASA date set for me. I’m stoked ?
And keep up your straight line thang. It’s bad ass how much power and fast you guys can get your cars to do in a ¼ mile. Been to gator nationals with wife and in-laws. Freaking nuts!!!!!

Don't over think the first steps.

pads and brake fluid get to the track and get some seat time. super addictive. Super impressive cars right out of the box

You can go down the rabbit hole and spend a lot $$ for .5 sec per lap. But first get into the game and seat time can net you 10 secs with stock set up easy

 

[JoshuaQ]

Guess we all familiar with the issue.
Got 13km/8000miles mileage on the car and recently, the warning came on JUST around 3000km/1900miles after the last oil change so:

1. Is topping off annually without oil change is fine?

Planning to shorten the intervals anyway.


2. Will there be a long term unreliability with car burning so much oil?

I don’t mind stocking few litres of oil in the trunk but just concern more about life expectancy and more issues to come.


3. Is mixing viscosity bad?

4. Has anybody ever solve the problem other than changing to thicker viscosity because it didn’t seems to work for me… the dealer recommended Mobil1 0w-40 to “solve” the issue but then again.. it happened after 3000+km/1900miles so i topped off Liqui Moly Top Tec 4600 5w-30 after
living in tropical hot humid country

Elaboration and more information are welcome.
Thanks!

It's normal for it to occur. For some reason Toyota left it out of their manuals, but BMW manuals state it's not uncommon to need to top off oil every 1000-1200 miles I think it said.

I've had 3 in 6000 miles, lol. I'm not tripping on it. I've just topped it off each time. I mixed viscosity at least once. I read it won't hurt (Probably depends on how crazy you're going) and no issues so far.

I swapped to 5w30 and haven't had to top off the oil since. I think it's just the water thin oil they use for regs/epa stuff. I believe UK has thicker oil (And different regs) and they don't get the issue as much or at all, idr cause I'm not too concerned since it's a known thing.

Reliability, that I can't speak for. I can be the guinea pig with 3 oil consumption warnings in 6000 miles, lol.

21 3.0 Prem (Near 10k miles I think...I don't pay attention, haha)
Intake
Exhaust
Catless DP
JB4

So far, no complaints. Love the car.

 

[JoshuaQ]

Well if you keep pushing the dealership they will opt to try and replace the pistons and rings. When they did this on my 21’ the engine blew after 150 miles. I’m now on a six month wait list for a new long block.

Good thing people are lemon lawing these cars and "pushing" dealers for a non-issue, : (. Get the word out, it's a B58 thing, not an issue. Now you got real issues. Sorry to hear, though.

 

[JoshuaQ]

Did you do the “break in” or just ran her hard?

That doesn't matter, at least not for me. 3 oc warnings in 6000 miles. Proper break in. SHIT environment though. 100+ all summer, smoke all summer too, and me running it like a sports car *after break-in*

 

[Todday1]

Well here are a few thoughts on this subject. I have a 2021 A91 and is pretty much a track car doing a lot of modifications over past year mostly suspension, areo, brakes and square set up on tires. 50 plus track days. I change oil about 4 to 6 track days. Using liquid moly special tec 5-30. These cars are designed to consume some oil. And oil temps are at 230 just normal running to burn it off for emissions. So it consistently consumes about 1 quart at around 3k miles ( under hard track use). as I measure what comes out and what I put in. No warning cones on as I expect it as to use 2 quarts before it does this. I put 7L in which is about 1/2 quart more than what some ref material will tell you. Is not over filled and when you measure on the car shows right at max not above. So overall if you are not consuming way more than that I would not be concerned.

 

[raiu]

First question would be: Did it get topped off properly since your last oil change?

If you started below or at bottom of max indicator. It could just be low from normal consumption.

Do yourself a favor and check the oil level is in mm via an OBD app. iDrive max is 85mm, new oil change max is 97mm.

You can top off at any point. Be sure to try and use same viscosity oils for this. I’m sure mixing in a bind is fine until next oil change.

-RJM

What is this app called

 

[Branflakes123]

What is this app called

Bimmerlink, and you need an OBD dongle. Their website has recommendations

 

[raiu]

Bimmerlink, and you need an OBD dongle. Their website has recommendations

How does bimmerlink differ from bimmercode? It sounds like one is the monitor display, and the other is changing OEM settings. Will it void warranty to install bimmerlink (sorry, new to bmws)

 

[J29DB03]

How does bimmerlink differ from bimmercode? It sounds like one is the monitor display, and the other is changing OEM settings. Will it void warranty to install bimmerlink (sorry, new to bmws)

BimmerCode changes modules within the ECU for things like seatbelt chimes, heated seat temps, turn off ASD, etc.

BimmerLink will read error codes, measure fluids, reset service intervals, etc.

Same developer, separate apps. Neither will do anything to the warranty. Nothing actually gets installed.

 

[raiu]

BimmerCode changes modules within the ECU for things like seatbelt chimes, heated seat temps, turn off ASD, etc.

BimmerLink will read error codes, measure fluids, reset service intervals, etc.

Same developer, separate apps. Neither will do anything to the warranty. Nothing actually gets installed.

Is there a way to measure fluids while driving the car (ex: using bimmerlink as a boost gauge or tracking oil temps under load)

 

[damnsupra]

Don’t look at the first number of 0w, the second number is the more important.

You never want the first number too high for a turbo car bc that’s cold temp rating. You want the turbo to flow to the turbo fast and a thin cold temp oil is the best.

So if you want to run a thicker oil. Do a 0w30…. The second number is for hot temperature rating…
You can run the 0w40 as well. That’s what the Skyline GTR run factory.

the original skyline gtr oil they used was 7.5w-30 i use 10w-50 for my gtr personally

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