Why I'm NOT Hyped About The New Toyota Supra

[Viselord]

@Jdmuscle I feel your frustration. But at this point it doesn't matter. We will have to see how everything turns out. That's all we have got.

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[Jdmuscle]

@Jdmuscle I feel your frustration. But at this point it doesn't matter. We will have to see how everything turns out. That's all we have got.

Yes sir.. agreed. It’s just the fanboys think this is God’s sent.. meanwhile it’s a pathetic attempt by Toyota to revive a name and try to cash in on it.

 

[SS900]

Ya I'm happy that it's coming if that's what you're really asking. Gonna reserve my judgement on the quality of the product until it's been released to the public. Toyota is gearing up to bring their regular line up of vehicles to date with current standards. They're preparing to upgrade their trucks and other established vehicles. The fact that they're even providing us with a sports car of this caliber on the side is a gift in and of itself. Where is the logic in building an in house i6 for one vehicle that'll sell maybe 10000 units? They're not going to use the engine in any other car. Of course they had to collaborate.

And that is what I call flawed logic. Let’s say they did develop their own engine, imagine the possibilities they would have to develop other cars to use that same engine. 4 door Supra version? Yes please! They could inject so much excitement and new models that would do extremely well and compete with other brands that customers normally don’t cross shop. Now, I get it, that’s what Lexus is for, right? So there you have it, Lexus can have $100k Supra that would do a lot better than the Lc. Toyota and Lexus are lost, they spent too much money developing cars that no one asked for that don’t compete head to head with other cars in the class. So many lost opportunities, sad.

 

[CantEven_Supra]

The big car debate purchase coming up this spring is between the MKV and the GTR. And sadly....the biggest determining factor for the MKV being the winner.....is the price point it comes in at.....not the performance, not the looks, not the tech, not the interior....which honestly is sad when you think about it. The winning factor shouldn't be "how much money can I save". Granted, I also follow that statement by saying the money I save will go towards aftermarket modifications, wheels, etc.

In regards to a proper halo car, and purchasing something that the company themselves put together....slow clap for the GTR indeed.

On the other side it also depends how the collaboration process happened. Is it in fact a "Toyota told us what they want and we built it" or is it more the side of "we put both our companies engineers to the test" and worked out a true 100% collaboration that ended with a car neither company would have made independently.....this is the question and thought process that has me holding out for the spring and MKV first drives rather than just buying a GTR right now.

 

[Jdmuscle]

The big car debate purchase coming up this spring is between the MKV and the GTR. And sadly....the biggest determining factor for the MKV being the winner.....is the price point it comes in at.....not the performance, not the looks, not the tech, not the interior....which honestly is sad when you think about it. The winning factor shouldn't be "how much money can I save". Granted, I also follow that statement by saying the money I save will go towards aftermarket modifications, wheels, etc.

In regards to a proper halo car, and purchasing something that the company themselves put together....slow clap for the GTR indeed.

On the other side it also depends how the collaboration process happened. Is it in fact a "Toyota told us what they want and we built it" or is it more the side of "we put both our companies engineers to the test" and worked out a true 100% collaboration that ended with a car neither company would have made independently.....this is the question and thought process that has me holding out for the spring and MKV first drives rather than just buying a GTR right now.

According to Toyota they worked on it.. according to BMW CD, Toyota ordered a HT sports coupe. Motor is BMW, interior is BMW, made in Europe, electronics is BMW.

What do you think happened with this car?

 

[solidsamir]

And that is what I call flawed logic. Let’s say they did develop their own engine, imagine the possibilities they would have to develop other cars to use that same engine. 4 door Supra version? Yes please! They could inject so much excitement and new models that would do extremely well and compete with other brands that customers normally don’t cross shop. Now, I get it, that’s what Lexus is for, right? So there you have it, Lexus can have $100k Supra that would do a lot better than the Lc. Toyota and Lexus are lost, they spent too much money developing cars that no one asked for that don’t compete head to head with other cars in the class. So many lost opportunities, sad.

The future is hybrid and electric, petrol is on its way out.

 

[PerformanceSound]

The future is hybrid and electric, petrol is on its way out.

Not unless your like me and buy a 27yr old car to drop whatever petrol engine you want without worries of emissions .

 

[solidsamir]

Not unless your like me and buy a 27yr old car to drop whatever petrol engine you want without worries of emissions .

Well clearly that isn't the future

 

[Spilner]

Not unless your like me and buy a 27yr old car to drop whatever petrol engine you want without worries of emissions .

I'll take a 3 year old used car that has great handling

 

[Dc2bar]

The big car debate purchase coming up this spring is between the MKV and the GTR. And sadly....the biggest determining factor for the MKV being the winner.....is the price point it comes in at.....not the performance, not the looks, not the tech, not the interior....which honestly is sad when you think about it. The winning factor shouldn't be "how much money can I save". Granted, I also follow that statement by saying the money I save will go towards aftermarket modifications, wheels, etc.

In regards to a proper halo car, and purchasing something that the company themselves put together....slow clap for the GTR indeed.

On the other side it also depends how the collaboration process happened. Is it in fact a "Toyota told us what they want and we built it" or is it more the side of "we put both our companies engineers to the test" and worked out a true 100% collaboration that ended with a car neither company would have made independently.....this is the question and thought process that has me holding out for the spring and MKV first drives rather than just buying a GTR right now.

This is exactly my situation. I'm buying one of the two, but want to be properly disappointed in person before I commit to the GT-R.

I wanted to like this so so so badly but from everything that I've heard, it's just another meh BMW. Already being the current owner of two wildly disappointing meh BMWs, I don't need to add a third. This isn't a Supra, is at the very most a rebadged and slightly tuned Z4. Hell, if i wanted to spend 60k on a heavy BMW, I'd go for the M2 Comp and get a manual at least.

I keep being told "but it's cheaper andand you be able to modify it and make much more power and make it much more capable of a car! With the right mods and tuning, you'll be able to make it just as good of a track car as the GT-R!

... So you're telling me that if I buy the cheaper car, and put time and money into it, I'll have a car that performs just as well as a GT-R, for the price of a GT-R? Then what's the point?

 

[Spilner]

This is exactly my situation. I'm buying one of the two, but want to be properly disappointed in person before I commit to the GT-R.

I wanted to like this so so so badly but from everything that I've heard, it's just another meh BMW. Already being the current owner of two wildly disappointing meh BMWs, I don't need to add a third. This isn't a Supra, is at the very most a rebadged and slightly tuned Z4. Hell, if i wanted to spend 60k on a heavy BMW, I'd go for the M2 Comp and get a manual at least.

I keep being told "but it's cheaper andand you be able to modify it and make much more power and make it much more capable of a car! With the right mods and tuning, you'll be able to make it just as good of a track car as the GT-R!

... So you're telling me that if I buy the cheaper car, and put time and money into it, I'll have a car that performs just as well as a GT-R, for the price of a GT-R? Then what's the point?

Lightness,unlike the GTR

 

[PerformanceSound]

The fact that they're even providing us with a sports car of this caliber on the side is a gift in and of itself. Where is the logic in building an in house i6 for one vehicle that'll sell maybe 10000 units? They're not going to use the engine in any other car. Of course they had to collaborate.

Sorry man, I don't think your statements hold any water. I can ask the same question in different manner, "where is the logic in profiting off of a shared platform that'll sell maybe 10000 units?" Is that really worth millions upon millions in outsourcing/collaborating on a new platform?

You seem to be more set on the fact that another Supra is coming....whether it's made of metal, plastic, or latex. Rather than thinking, "how has this car evolved from the previous generation Supra?" People (like yourself) are very excited for the idea of a new Supra, because you have yet to see what is in store for the buyer. How is a MacPherson strut setup an evolution of the double-wishbone from the last gen Supra? How are two seats an evolution of the four seats in the last gen Supra? How is "cockpit" like interior/positioning an evolution of the last gen Supra? HOW IS A BMW DERIVED ENGINE AN EVOLUTION OF THE LAST GEN SUPRA? I think once Toyota makes it clear that the new Supra is nothing more than a 370Z competitor, you will shy away from purchasing one, and probably lose interest very quickly....just my two cents.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me why this car is even being made? Who is it's target audience? Sure as hell isn't last gen Supra owners...

 

[PerformanceSound]

This is exactly my situation. I'm buying one of the two, but want to be properly disappointed in person before I commit to the GT-R.

I wanted to like this so so so badly but from everything that I've heard, it's just another meh BMW. Already being the current owner of two wildly disappointing meh BMWs, I don't need to add a third. This isn't a Supra, is at the very most a rebadged and slightly tuned Z4. Hell, if i wanted to spend 60k on a heavy BMW, I'd go for the M2 Comp and get a manual at least.

I keep being told "but it's cheaper andand you be able to modify it and make much more power and make it much more capable of a car! With the right mods and tuning, you'll be able to make it just as good of a track car as the GT-R!

... So you're telling me that if I buy the cheaper car, and put time and money into it, I'll have a car that performs just as well as a GT-R, for the price of a GT-R? Then what's the point?

 

[Spilner]

Who is it's target audience? Sure as hell isn't last gen Supra owners...

Didn't stop them from being vocal,regardless

 

[PerformanceSound]

Well clearly that isn't the future

I'll take a 3 year old used car that has great handling

...hmmm...your right, I guess that's why the 90's era Japanese cars are skyrocketing in value while 3yr old BMW's are rotting away in parking lots begging to be sold. Maybe I got it all wrong then

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