Why I'm NOT Hyped About The New Toyota Supra

[Spilner]

They did soften the styling a bit but it’s a ton more refined. NAIAS 2019 will be the debut platform for he new HD RAM.. let’s see how that pans out. Love the Cummins ISBs best HD 1 Ton truck motor in the industry.

I think the Ram will do just fine

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[Jdmuscle]

Yeah.. Chevy dropped the ball when it comes to the interior in the new Silverados. Ford always hits the mark with its trucks

 

[SPMS]

I'll stick with my new ride, drove a lot of others and just kept coming back to this. Itll hold me over until the Supra releases.

 

[Matador]

The legacy of the MKIV isn't something which can be replicated. I've had mine for 19 years, and I was around when the single turbos started to hit in numbers. It was as if someone had unleashed a WMD on the car scene. . Within maybe 18 months, it went from "what kind of Toyota is that?" to "fuckin' Supras everywhere, I need a 250 shot on my GTS just to keep up", and all of the car mags went from having endless Honda B motor cover cars to all Supras, all the time. It was a revolution in the streets, and that's even before The Fast and The Furious turned it into every high school kid's dream car.

Having said that, bone stock the car wasn't anything all that special. It was heavy expensive and had power inline with it's class, but nothing extraordinary. I looked at one brand new when I was a senior in college and about fell over when I saw the sticker ($55k in 1994). Among my friends at the time, the FD RX-7 and the NSX were the cars we sweated. Of course, no one had any idea what the power potential was, at least not yet.

(Five years later, the same friend who went to the dealership with me called me up almost out of breath - he'd just ridden in a modded Supra and kept saying "holy fuck holy fuck that was the fastest fucking car I've ever been in. If you find one, BUY IT!" I found one the next day and did. $18.5k with a six speed)

I've owned a lot of the fast cars from the 90s - DOHC Cobra, AMG E55, Ferrari 355, C5 Z06, Camaro LS1, Stealth RT/TT, Porsche 911 Turbo, and shopped plenty more - FD RX-7, Viper GTS, NSX, 300ZX TT, and can tell you for a fact that the MKIV trounces every one of them. It's the only one I kept. (Though that 355 sounded like pure magic...and the gated shifter was automotive sex)

With what's out there now, what would a MKIV successor need to be to live up to that legacy? jdmuscle has pretty much the modern dream garage, (though he needs to trade that Z06 in on a ZR-1) and just look at the power, performance and sheer specialness of those rides. Throw in Hellcats, which are everywhere, past and future GT500s, ZL1 Camaros....then there's the exotics, McLarens, Ferrari 488, Huracan, not to mention people boosting Gallardos and R8s. It's a totally different landscape. Hell, even Jag has the F-Type R.

So what could Toyota possibly do to follow up on that legacy, to be a complete game changer? What's that car even look like? Forget price. 500+hp? 600+? 1000hp+ potential on the stock block? That's just playing catch up. Is it even an inline six anymore, or do you go for a boosted V8? Do you go bold on weight and try for all carbon fiber like the Alfa 4C? The answer is going to look a lot like an LC-F.

I agree with whoever said that the real successor to the MKIV was the LFA. The closest thing to a modern MKIV right now is probably the crazy ZL1 1LE, in the sense that it punches way out of it's weight class, or the ZR1, though the price is eye watering. Tuning shops are already talking about stage kits to get it past 1000hp without touching a valve cover. It's going to be a legend.

I gave up on a direct MKIV successor the day the car was cancelled in Japan without a replacement. I'm still interested in this car, but under no illusions that it will have the impact on the car world the MKIV had. I'm not even sure that's possible for any car. Not every legend bears an even greater legend; Bob Marley had Ziggy, Bruce Lee had Brandon, and the MKIV has the MKV.

I've liked every Supra going back to the MK1, and I've driven all of them (owned a MK2 race car and a MK3 Turbo briefly). Each one is a very a different car. This one will be also, and that's okay. It's not as if Toyota (err...I mean, BMW) decided to make a crossover and label it a Supra (anyone remember the RSC concept?) If the car is quick, fun, looks good, is high quality and can handle some healthy power mods, then it might be worth the coin, especially if that 'ring time is legit. I've been optimistic about the MKV, and I think there are very good reasons to be. It won't be a MKIV, but it may still be a special car.

Let this car have it's identity, whatever that turns out to be. Times change and so do cars. The Corvette guys are losing their minds arguing over the mid engine car. Porsche guys engage in religious wars over air cooled versus water cars, or mid engine versus rear (or front engined cars, which are suddenly collectible despite decades of scorn). Having back seats and a third door on the RX-8 was turning a sports car legend into a baby mobile. Even the MX-5 guys complain about how the RF isn't a "real" Miata. Let's not even go into what the old school GTO guys thought about their badge going on a Holden.

At least this new Supra will still have a turbo, unlike the Nissan Z abominations, amirite?

Shit happens. It's not as if the old cars vanish when a new one comes out. If anything, they become even more special.

Keeping in theme with the thread, I'm at 5 based on known facts. If everything A70 has posted turns out to be true, I might go to 8.

I wish I could like this post about 50 times. Very on point.

 

[PerformanceSound]

@BimyotaVery happy with my Z06, it’s a blower upgrade from blowing the doors of the ZR1. So won’t ever be doing that trade. If I do sell it, it would be for a 991.2 GT3 Touring.

RX8 was a disaster and IMO, MKV is turning out to be the RX8 of the Supra world. At least the RX8 was in house and Mazda didn’t go begging for a platform and a motor elsewhere. 370Z is probably the only one of the bunch that came close to living up to the Z32 legend even though it lacked the forced induction aspect. ND Miata is a marvel from Mazda and kudos to them.. yeah the RF weighs a bit more but it’s still an awesome car. I really want a regular ND Club with the Brembos as a daily.

As for the MKV, I really think it’s actually a damn MK1 Zupra. Doesn’t really feel like we have a Supra sequel here besides Toyota trying to capitalize on its past by a pathetic attempt at protraying itself to be sporty. Market perception is everything when it comes to a car’s success and you’ll see that this car will be looked up as a bimmer more than a Toyota by everyone. Much like the 86 as a Subaru more than a Toyota. In an attempt to saving money.. Toyota is just selling its soul to have others make the cars that people actually cherish. No one gives a damn about a Corolla.. or a Camry. JV in those segments and cash in.. why JV on a car that everyone is looking forward to and in the process loose your identity.

Here is our halo car with a BMW motor and it’s made in Austria.... sounds like a perfect recipe for disaster. Nothing JDM about it.. nothing Supra about it besides the name plate.

JDMuscle, you and I think very much alike....except you have a much better and greater arsenal of cars than I do .

It seems like the attitude here lately has been, "...at least Toyota is making another Supra....we should all be so lucky." Every time I hear this, I think to myself "wow...how fickle some people really are in today's day and age." Probably explains why the media is so powerful in the U.S., because the media knows how easy it is to brainwash and manipulate the mass populations minds into accepting something they don't want.

@Bimyota your comment of, "At least this new Supra will still have a turbo, unlike the Nissan Z abominations, amirite?" was surely aimed at getting my attention as I used the word "abomination" in a previous post. To that comment, I say your right...the Z's of the recent (350/370) are crap (with or without turbos). You seem to be assuming that just because the MKV Supra will have turbo(s), it will make things all better. Nope! Take a look at the interior of my 1991 Nissan 300ZX, touch the materials and look at the build quality and workmanship....then compare it to the new Z's. You will almost instantly see and feel the difference. 300ZX's came with suede trim and leather seats back in the early 90's. Try and get that in today's Z car....yeah right! I know we can't go back in time, but that is what should define a strong company in engineering and development....one that can make the impossible possible while making it available to everyone. How did Mazda manage to do such a fine job on the new Miata? The damn thing comes with amazing Recaro's btw...if anyone hasn't noticed....and is well priced. Toyota cannot say, "well, the 90's were a different time when our economy was great." Unacceptable! If you can't release an evolution of the previous generation car (without collaborating with other companies)....do don't it at all! Just stick to what your good at then. People are wanting a MKIV successor, not a GT-86 older brother.

Btw, for those who think Im some old fart...im 36yrs old, so I was just a little kid when the 90's Japanese cars were around. I never knew what quality, reliability, and durability was until I actually experienced different cars from around the world to know what makes a car worth buying (slow or fast).

 

[SS900]

JDMuscle, you and I think very much alike....except you have a much better and greater arsenal of cars than I do .

It seems like the attitude here lately has been, "...at least Toyota is making another Supra....we should all be so lucky." Every time I hear this, I think to myself "wow...how fickle some people really are in today's day and age." Probably explains why the media is so powerful in the U.S., because the media knows how easy it is to brainwash and manipulate the mass populations minds into accepting something they don't want.

@Bimyota your comment of, "At least this new Supra will still have a turbo, unlike the Nissan Z abominations, amirite?" was surely aimed at getting my attention as I used the word "abomination" in a previous post. To that comment, I say your right...the Z's of the recent (350/370) are crap (with or without turbos). You seem to be assuming that just because the MKV Supra will have turbo(s), it will make things all better. Nope! Take a look at the interior of my 1991 Nissan 300ZX, touch the materials and look at the build quality and workmanship....then compare it to the new Z's. You will almost instantly see and feel the difference. 300ZX's came with suede trim and leather seats back in the early 90's. Try and get that in today's Z car....yeah right! I know we can't go back in time, but that is what should define a strong company in engineering and development....one that can make the impossible possible while making it available to everyone. How did Mazda manage to do such a fine job on the new Miata? The damn thing comes with amazing Recaro's btw...if anyone hasn't noticed....and is well priced. Toyota cannot say, "well, the 90's were a different time when our economy was great." Unacceptable! If you can't release an evolution of the previous generation car (without collaborating with other companies)....do don't it at all! Just stick to what your good at then. People are wanting a MKIV successor, not a GT-86 older brother.

Btw, for those who think Im some old fart...im 36yrs old, so I was just a little kid when the 90's Japanese cars were around. I never knew what quality, reliability, and durability was until I actually experienced different cars from around the world to know what makes a car worth buying (slow or fast).

That’s the vibe that I am getting from the A90, it’s an evolution of the 86 or what Toyota really wanted the 86 to be. It just doesn’t have any Supra vibe to it at all. It’s almost like it’s the mkiv little younger brother.

I also think you hit the nail on something else, you are 36, I am 39, to the under 30 crowd we are old farts. Think about it, we actually have a memory of the 90’s, actually had driver licenses in the 90’s and I even owned my mkiv in the 90’s. For someone under 30 to understand what we experienced, how we learned to appreciate what quality is and owning something special is not something they can process. Different generation, different upbringing, technology and definitely a different type of consumer. To them growing up with the F&F movies and the Supra being more of a mythical car that none of them (99.9%) can or will ever own. That’s why they are excited about a new car with the same name. It’s not about the car itself, it’s just about the name and their understanding it’s supposed to be fast and now it’s their turn to enjoy ‘their’ generation of Supra. I’m sure that’s why Toyota doesn’t care, because their new customer base won’t either. Just my opinion of course.

 

[solidsamir]

I also think you hit the nail on something else, you are 36, I am 39, to the under 30 crowd we are old farts.

 

[SS900]

You don’t know the whole story, give the guy a break.

 

[PerformanceSound]

That’s the vibe that I am getting from the A90, it’s an evolution of the 86 or what Toyota really wanted the 86 to be. It just doesn’t have any Supra vibe to it at all. It’s almost like it’s the mkiv little younger brother.

I also think you hit the nail on something else, you are 36, I am 39, to the under 30 crowd we are old farts. Think about it, we actually have a memory of the 90’s, actually had driver licenses in the 90’s and I even owned my mkiv in the 90’s. For someone under 30 to understand what we experienced, how we learned to appreciate what quality is and owning something special is not something they can process. Different generation, different upbringing, technology and definitely a different type of consumer. To them growing up with the F&F movies and the Supra being more of a mythical car that none of them (99.9%) can or will ever own. That’s why they are excited about a new car with the same name. It’s not about the car itself, it’s just about the name and their understanding it’s supposed to be fast and now it’s their turn to enjoy ‘their’ generation of Supra. I’m sure that’s why Toyota doesn’t care, because their new customer base won’t either. Just my opinion of course.

Your right, the age (generation) factor is a huge cow it seems....and Toyota is milking that cow hard!

It's too bad more potential buyers can't experience the 90's era cars (not just from the outside). I think they would really appreciate the pinnacle of engineering of the Japanese companies during those times and how attention to quality has deteriorated since then. Btw, im not just talking about sports cars...im talking cars in general.

This is why I still have my 3rd Gen T4R as my daily and will not give it up for anything:

 

[Spilner]

Your right, the age (generation) factor is a huge cow it seems....and Toyota is milking that cow hard!

It's too bad more potential buyers can't experience the 90's era cars (not just from the outside). I think they would really appreciate the pinnacle of engineering of the Japanese companies during those times and how attention to quality has deteriorated since then. Btw, im not just talking about sports cars...im talking cars in general.

This is why I still have my 3rd Gen T4R as my daily and will not give it up for anything:

Toyota Hilux is another example of quality engineering

 

[PerformanceSound]

Toyota Hilux is another example of quality engineering

I love the Hilux....its too bad we don’t get them here in the states.

 

[Jdmuscle]

Toyota Hilux is another example of quality engineering

Toyota trucks are simply amazing even though they are outdated.

I recently bought a 2018 GX and I’m super happy with it.

 

[boodjohn]

Toyota trucks can be a great thing or a shit thing.
But Did you know that toyota is known to have the shittiest manufactuering boxed frame process and had a complete world wide recall because trucks were splitting in half? They are great truck.

When it works.

 

[Supraman]

^Overall their trucks are great and hold their value for the most part. But I did notice this case with several of the first few models of the Toyota FJ Cruiser (2007+) which were victims of inner fender bulging and cracking. Although the later year models were corrected of this, it steered me away from buying one leading me to purchase a Nissan Xterra.

My excitement level for this car is a 5 at this point. Hoping for the best but won't be shocked if what the latest rumors suggest is what we get.

 

[ginsuown]

I'm still at a 9. Being in my early 20's, everything I've seen so far seems to be exactly what I want. I've been to the track a few times and love autox, so an affordable, lightweight, 2-seater only car with a tuneable inline-6 seems like a dream come true. I don't care what brand is stamped on the parts as long as it drives nicely and is decently quick. I love BMW too, and before any tangible news about this car I was already set on buying the new M2. This car just seems like a straight upgrade; same power, lighter weight and less seats, what's not to love?

The only other car I'm considering is a Cayman GTS, but this new Supra seems to be nearly as quick for a lot less $$$.

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