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[SS900]

Easy there Kemosabe. I was talking to Mike Myers about cars in general these days and how their prices are increasing...

Sorry, I didn’t mean it in a mean manner (can’t hear tone on the internet).

I was trying to keep things related to the A90 and keep on point. While in general you are correct, none of that applies to the A90 or people on this forum.

For example if Toyota developed the A90 on their own as it is now, it would still not be an $80-100k car. They would still only be able to ask $50-60k. So logically if they saved a lot of money on development cost thanks to bmw, that means there is A LOT of profit in there, which means the higher costs are not directly associated with inflation or safety features/technology. Btw, some very affordable cars now come with the same safety features as these ‘’expensive" technological advancements so don’t buy into this whole "it’s expensive because xyz". It’s expensive because they are milking it. I know for a fact bmw dealers have big margins on the Z4, now maybe more than ever.

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[RobStar869]

There is no reason the Supra should cost as much as a Porsche. Porsche has crazy profits in their cars, Toyota is just going to milk it for whatever they can get. You want a good deal on a brand new A90 then wait until year 3 for a $10k discount.

Just a heads up, I just recently worked for Porsche (actually just started in sales for Toyota) and unless you're talking about pre-owned vehicles, there aren't "crazy" profits in the cars. They are decent but they're not making 10k a car. It's the people reselling cars that are making out like bandits.

 

[SS900]

Just a heads up, I just recently worked for Porsche (actually just started in sales for Toyota) and unless you're talking about pre-owned vehicles, there aren't "crazy" profits in the cars. They are decent but they're not making 10k a car. It's the people reselling cars that are making out like bandits.

I wasn’t talking about salespeople commissions, I was talking about Porsche as a manufacturer. It is the #1 brand with the most profits per car. A lot of Their models have $10k profit in them easy, i’m Not going to argue, I have a friend who owns a Porsche dealership, I know exactly what the real profit margins are and it’s pretty sickening.

My point is Toyota is trying to make Porsche money with a bmw they are getting a discount on.

 

[dshandy]

What is your perceived value of the A90 then? Even though we don't know exactly how much the A90 will cost (though we have a +-$10k idea) what do you think it should cost? Obviously, we all would love to buy cars at what they're truly valued at but in the end, the manufacturer needs to cash in. Porsche rarely has any cars sitting on their lots with little to no options, that's where a large portion of there profits come from (not justifying it, I just know their target market will pay it). If you want to order a Porsche with no options, then expect to wait 8 to 12 weeks. Unless someone is tailoring the car to their specifications, a Porsche customer will fork out the extra cash to have it the same day. In general, the price of cars is increasing because real wages are also and I think the rumored price of the A90 is justifiable (even with where A90 stands based on performance rumors). If Toyota developed the A90 on their own, it would cost a lot more than where it sits now. R&D on a new engine and platform is extremely costly and in the end would be passed onto the consumer.

 

[BRX]

I think what SS900 is trying to say is Toyota could have taken an existing platform (RC-F?) Took all the crap out, made the chassis lighter and more rigid, lighter body panels and interior without all the leather and gadgets, lower center of gravity, used the TT V6 and the 10 speed from the LS500 and kept the price in the 50-60k range. I think that's definitely a plausible alternative even if it didn't weight 3100-3300lbs, 3500lbs with 450HP/TQ would still be a higher power/weight ratio than a 3100/380.

 

[tfoxyr]

I think what SS900 is trying to say is Toyota could have taken an existing platform (RC-F?) Took all the crap out, made the chassis lighter and more rigid, lighter body panels and interior without all the leather and gadgets, lower center of gravity, used the TT V6 and the 10 speed from the LS500 and kept the price in the 50-60k range. I think that's definitely a plausible alternative even if it didn't weight 3100-3300lbs, 3500lbs with 450HP/TQ would still be a higher power/weight ratio than a 3100/380.

i think this is what everyone wanted the new supra to be, this would be the perfect successor to the last gen.

 

[Spilner]

i think this is what everyone wanted the new supra to be, this would be the perfect successor to the last gen.

Ehh....it would be the R35 situation all over again

 

[tha7osavage]

I think what SS900 is trying to say is Toyota could have taken an existing platform (RC-F?) Took all the crap out, made the chassis lighter and more rigid, lighter body panels and interior without all the leather and gadgets, lower center of gravity, used the TT V6 and the 10 speed from the LS500 and kept the price in the 50-60k range. I think that's definitely a plausible alternative even if it didn't weight 3100-3300lbs, 3500lbs with 450HP/TQ would still be a higher power/weight ratio than a 3100/380.

I agree with this. I think Toyota was so hellbent on getting an inline-six for the Supra that this wasn't even an option. I get that they wanted to stay true to the Supra heritage, but partnering with BMW and having them supply the I6 destroyed any type of legacy this car could've had or would've continued. Now that's not to say that this car won't be special. I for one am not so mad at the BMW partnership, but after a lot of consideration, and reading the thoughts of other folks on this forum, I can see why many are upset at how things have come along, and don't quite see this as a true successor to the MK4.

EDIT: I'm not saying a V6 would be okay in the new Supra, but more so that Toyota could've definitely went another route if they wanted to stay true to the Supra lineage by utilizing other pre-existing Toyota/Lexus platforms. Ultimately, we all know it'd cost quite a bit of cheddar to engineer their own I6, so therein lies the problem.

 

[Jdmuscle]

Toyota made V6TT > bmw in-line 6 in terms of heritage and keeping the Supra a Supra.

 

[dshandy]

Don't get me wrong, I as much as anyone on this forum wished that Toyota stayed true to the Supra heritage and used an in-house I6. My whole point I was trying to make is that in no way do I think Toyota is trying to make "Porsche profits" off of the new Supra. Once again we are a minority here on this forum sadly, and the "Joe Blow" who will eventually buy the A90 doesn't know it exists yet or is content with rumors he's read on the internet. With that said, I am still optimistic about what Toyota can do with the A90 and firmly believe that Tada wouldn't release a car unless he was happy with what he created.

 

[jm6k]

Porsche really knows how to get money out of those cars too. I just tried pricing out a 911 Carrera and ended up tacking on $40k in options that I would never miss if I didn't know they were available (leather a/c vents???). Nice car, but it gets out of hand quick.

 

[Verdi]

Has anyone not asked for a targa top?

 

[justbake]

I wish you were right, but I don’t believe in it. In my eyes it makes sense test the whole car in its final condition, especially that short before the sales will start. And where is the problem bringing some Toyota parts from japan (or anywhere else in the world) to Munich? There isn’t one. I’m sure that the interior we spied last months is final.

You don't have to believe it.

There is no problem in bringing them over, I just said that there is no need to when performance testing. Using that same logic, there is probably a mule with production interior being used for interior durability testing with 3 series side mirrors still on it because those mirrors aren't crucial to that type of test

 

[SS900]

What is your perceived value of the A90 then? Even though we don't know exactly how much the A90 will cost (though we have a +-$10k idea) what do you think it should cost? Obviously, we all would love to buy cars at what they're truly valued at but in the end, the manufacturer needs to cash in. Porsche rarely has any cars sitting on their lots with little to no options, that's where a large portion of there profits come from (not justifying it, I just know their target market will pay it). If you want to order a Porsche with no options, then expect to wait 8 to 12 weeks. Unless someone is tailoring the car to their specifications, a Porsche customer will fork out the extra cash to have it the same day. In general, the price of cars is increasing because real wages are also and I think the rumored price of the A90 is justifiable (even with where A90 stands based on performance rumors). If Toyota developed the A90 on their own, it would cost a lot more than where it sits now. R&D on a new engine and platform is extremely costly and in the end would be passed onto the consumer.

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough, my apologies. I am not saying Toyota shouldn’t ask for as much as a base Cayman, i’m Just saying they are truly milking it considering the cost savings they got out of this partnership. There is nothing special about this car that makes it a $60k car. This is a $40-45k car in my eyes. Hate to say it but what makes the A90 a better or more expensive car than the Kia Stinger for example? What makes it $10k more? Can you find where is the extra cost?

The main point I was trying to make is if Lexus can afford to develop the LC and sell it in the $80-90k mark then Toyota can afford to develop their own Supra and sell it for $60k, especially if they developed it similarly to what the A90 is turning out to be. Bottom line is they care way more about deeper profits than their own heritage. To be fair to Toyota, consumers are more forgiving these days as the idea of quality and heritage is becoming less important. Short term gain over long game is what everyone is playing today. Sucks for true enthusiasts but I get it.

There is no need to make up excuses, it’s all about milking it with this car.

With that said, it will still probably be a really fun car, no one is arguing that. This is more about a right way to do a Supra or a wrong way, although doing it wrong doesn’t mean it won’t be fun.

 

[Modal170]

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough, my apologies. I am not saying Toyota shouldn’t ask for as much as a base Cayman, i’m Just saying they are truly milking it considering the cost savings they got out of this partnership. There is nothing special about this car that makes it a $60k car. This is a $40-45k car in my eyes. Hate to say it but what makes the A90 a better or more expensive car than the Kia Stinger for example? What makes it $10k more? Can you find where is the extra cost?

The main point I was trying to make is if Lexus can afford to develop the LC and sell it in the $80-90k mark then Toyota can afford to develop their own Supra and sell it for $60k, especially if they developed it similarly to what the A90 is turning out to be. Bottom line is they care way more about deeper profits than their own heritage. To be fair to Toyota, consumers are more forgiving these days as the idea of quality and heritage is becoming less important. Short term gain over long game is what everyone is playing today. Sucks for true enthusiasts but I get it.

There is no need to make up excuses, it’s all about milking it with this car.

With that said, it will still probably be a really fun car, no one is arguing that. This is more about a right way to do a Supra or a wrong way, although doing it wrong doesn’t mean it won’t be fun.

Just as a note, I believe the RC-F, the GS-F and LC are sharing the engine and some tech of the LFA was trickled down to the LC. I don't think it's an entirely new car, but it is expensive for probably creating the frame and materials to give it its shape and rigidity to begin with. If it was entirely brand new, I'm sure it would be costing 200k. Just saying.

I feel the outcry for the I6 was what made the partnership be used more than creating or re-using a Toyota engine.

To go back on topic, how much does an interior effect the pricing on the car and potential customers? I'm curious as interior never mattered to me and want to see what others think.

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