diss7
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- First Name
- Mike
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- Sep 6, 2018
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- New Zealand
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- A4, GT86, 997, TE27
Toyota, you’ve lost my business.
Just having a wee rant.
I’ve wanted this Supra. Waited and waited and waited. All we get is a strip tease. “Oh look can see the headlights! Oh look now the door jambs”. But have put up with it. I’ve had every Toyota worth having from the 80s and 90s. And Lexus. Never anything Uber rare though, no 2000 GT or LFA. ISF was one of my favourite ever cars. Currently have 6 cars, 3 Toyotas. Landcruiser 100 series, GT86 with Lexus V8. TE27.
Only reason the other 3 aren’t Toyota is because I’ve been forced to buy elsewhere as no Toyota example comparable.
Suzuki Jimny as go anyway town runabout for wife.
Audi Allroad as wanted / needed premium 4wd wagon that wasn’t a truck.
Porsche 911 as no premium real sports car by Toyota / Lexus. RCF is a whale of a car.
Supra to replace the 911.
My point is, I feel like I’m as brand loyal and qualified for this Supra as I’m sure and aware some of you are. And yet, I’m so disappointed at how this Supra launch has been handled.
I took Audi to Archibald’s (local Audi and Porsche dealer) to get serviced a few weeks back. I have a good relationship there. Bought two Audi’s there, get 911 serviced there. They showed me their Carrera T in stock. Told me all about the upcoming 992. Far more than can be found online. I had expressed interest in 992 but I just can’t go ahead. Cost is high but justified I think. It’s the image a 911 has in a small town. Which is why I’m replacing the current one.
Last week, I was contacted by BMW dealer. I’ve been cross shopping the supra against the M2 competition. Supra is basically a BMW anyway. But has the better M division bits and MANUAL! And from what I understand, very little price delta. I stewed on a M2C for a long time, but didn’t go ahead because of the colour selection. Anyway, this call was telling me all about the M2CS/L. A car that doesn’t officially exist. But they found out about it, and contacted me because they know it comes in two colours I like (grey and dark blue fwiw).
My point is this. I’m far from a VIP or anything special to either of these dealers. I’ve done some business with Archibald’s. But it’s sub $300kNZD all up. Nothing compared to what it takes to get a GT3 allocation for example.
And yet both these brands, have treated me far differently than Toyota is. I even went as far as to offer to sign a confidentiality agreement, just to find out more info on the Supra. But nothing.
I feel like Toyota have a lot to learn if they’re going to compete with these premium brands.
I wanted a Supra. I was going to overpay for it (in the sense it’s basically a hotted up 3 series mechanically, but priced closer to the M specific BMW cars. )
I was going to accept it was auto only even though I really wanted a manual.
To this day (correct me if I’m wrong) we don’t even know what power the car will have, officially what colours or trim, what price, or even when it will be available.
I realise that I’m coming across as a whinger. Maybe I am. But I’m the market; or at least a segment of it.
But it’s the way we’ve been treated with this car that has completed turned me away from it. At this point I don’t care if it’s $80kNZD.
I confirmed on a M2 Competition on Friday. Got $10k off RRP (good luck getting that with Toyota and their no haggle dribble now) <Note this is a NZ thing where Toyota are trialing a no negotiation on price approach>
I settled on a colour I’m not in love with, but managed to negotiate a guaranteed allocation on a M2CS/L and the price that I’ll pay (agreed adjustment on the RRP when announced) as a contractual condition of my M2C purchase.
BMW didn’t win my business. Toyota lost it.
Toyota only want to sell Hiluxs, Corollas and Prados to people that won’t haggle, because they can’t haggle; because they think that brand loyalty is blind. And to a certain extent it is, but It’s hard to push brand loyalty when you need BMW and Subaru to build your sports cars for you.
With all that said, I do hope that the Supra ends up being a great car for those that go ahead with it.
Just having a wee rant.
I’ve wanted this Supra. Waited and waited and waited. All we get is a strip tease. “Oh look can see the headlights! Oh look now the door jambs”. But have put up with it. I’ve had every Toyota worth having from the 80s and 90s. And Lexus. Never anything Uber rare though, no 2000 GT or LFA. ISF was one of my favourite ever cars. Currently have 6 cars, 3 Toyotas. Landcruiser 100 series, GT86 with Lexus V8. TE27.
Only reason the other 3 aren’t Toyota is because I’ve been forced to buy elsewhere as no Toyota example comparable.
Suzuki Jimny as go anyway town runabout for wife.
Audi Allroad as wanted / needed premium 4wd wagon that wasn’t a truck.
Porsche 911 as no premium real sports car by Toyota / Lexus. RCF is a whale of a car.
Supra to replace the 911.
My point is, I feel like I’m as brand loyal and qualified for this Supra as I’m sure and aware some of you are. And yet, I’m so disappointed at how this Supra launch has been handled.
I took Audi to Archibald’s (local Audi and Porsche dealer) to get serviced a few weeks back. I have a good relationship there. Bought two Audi’s there, get 911 serviced there. They showed me their Carrera T in stock. Told me all about the upcoming 992. Far more than can be found online. I had expressed interest in 992 but I just can’t go ahead. Cost is high but justified I think. It’s the image a 911 has in a small town. Which is why I’m replacing the current one.
Last week, I was contacted by BMW dealer. I’ve been cross shopping the supra against the M2 competition. Supra is basically a BMW anyway. But has the better M division bits and MANUAL! And from what I understand, very little price delta. I stewed on a M2C for a long time, but didn’t go ahead because of the colour selection. Anyway, this call was telling me all about the M2CS/L. A car that doesn’t officially exist. But they found out about it, and contacted me because they know it comes in two colours I like (grey and dark blue fwiw).
My point is this. I’m far from a VIP or anything special to either of these dealers. I’ve done some business with Archibald’s. But it’s sub $300kNZD all up. Nothing compared to what it takes to get a GT3 allocation for example.
And yet both these brands, have treated me far differently than Toyota is. I even went as far as to offer to sign a confidentiality agreement, just to find out more info on the Supra. But nothing.
I feel like Toyota have a lot to learn if they’re going to compete with these premium brands.
I wanted a Supra. I was going to overpay for it (in the sense it’s basically a hotted up 3 series mechanically, but priced closer to the M specific BMW cars. )
I was going to accept it was auto only even though I really wanted a manual.
To this day (correct me if I’m wrong) we don’t even know what power the car will have, officially what colours or trim, what price, or even when it will be available.
I realise that I’m coming across as a whinger. Maybe I am. But I’m the market; or at least a segment of it.
But it’s the way we’ve been treated with this car that has completed turned me away from it. At this point I don’t care if it’s $80kNZD.
I confirmed on a M2 Competition on Friday. Got $10k off RRP (good luck getting that with Toyota and their no haggle dribble now) <Note this is a NZ thing where Toyota are trialing a no negotiation on price approach>
I settled on a colour I’m not in love with, but managed to negotiate a guaranteed allocation on a M2CS/L and the price that I’ll pay (agreed adjustment on the RRP when announced) as a contractual condition of my M2C purchase.
BMW didn’t win my business. Toyota lost it.
Toyota only want to sell Hiluxs, Corollas and Prados to people that won’t haggle, because they can’t haggle; because they think that brand loyalty is blind. And to a certain extent it is, but It’s hard to push brand loyalty when you need BMW and Subaru to build your sports cars for you.
With all that said, I do hope that the Supra ends up being a great car for those that go ahead with it.
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