To build or not to build?

[3TMagnetMan]

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[humblemoto]

I think you need to join the Air Force and be a Pilot and try Mach 2.5 in a fighter jet that would change your perception of speed.

Haha no doubt! No chance they let me into one of those things, I don’t have the aptitude!

 

[Jmanlevan]

I think you need to join the Air Force and be a Pilot and try Mach 2.5 in a fighter jet that would change your perception of speed.

@humblemoto

 

[az_supra]

Yes, I want bike-“like” for as cheap as possible in a modern (safe) car.
The only dismissing I do of folks who have commented on building is the single biggest constraint I give, and everyone’s dismissal of it…Eblends and meth. Not a single “builder” here has offered a high HP solution on 93oct because they know it’s expensive and very difficult, it takes over-building and ultimately chemistry and physics limit how far 3 liters can go on 93oct. Have you or anyone here provided a maximum effort 93oct build? What you call “whining” is my hope dying and realization that I need a much larger displacement car to meet my goals.

Okay so stfu and get bigger displacement car then

 

[humblemoto]

Okay so stfu and get bigger displacement car then

Trolling? Getting the last word in? I won’t be the one with the slow car bro, chill.

 

[Jayson415PR]

What are your mods? Just curious. Thank you for the reply. 11.4 sec run is no slouch.

Sure, Bimmernet 4.5” down pipe , armaspeed air intake, 650cc of 20% water and 80% meth injection and a custom tune using BM3 done by manolito tuning.

 

[suicidaleggroll]

So…you want a summer road trip GT car with full A/C, quiet and comfortable for the family, with 1000 hp on 93 oct, for under $100k?

Lemme know when you find one, lmao.

Maybe you can find someone with a Bugatti that will let you borrow it for “favors”?

 

[az_supra]

Trolling? Getting the last word in? I won’t be the one with the slow car bro, chill.

I love that you don't see the irony in this

 

[humblemoto]

So…you want a summer road trip GT car with full A/C, quiet and comfortable for the family, with 1000 hp on 93 oct, for under $100k?

Lemme know when you find one, lmao.

Maybe you can find someone with a Bugatti that will let you borrow it for “favors”?

Tesla Plaid and Hellcat are halfway there but have some weaknesses. I figured the Supra with investment could get there but physics says no. I’m only asking for one attribute of a supercar, the acceleration. What goes into supercars is so much more than speed, materials are a huge portion of what makes them super. They sacrifice everything in pursuit of ultimate performance. They turn better, stop better, but there’s no need for those attributes on the street.
Todays modern big displacement cars with some mods meet my acceleration requirements while meeting my GT requirements. I’m not asking for a Koenigsegg Regera.

 

[suicidaleggroll]

Tesla Plaid and Hellcat are halfway there but have some weaknesses. I figured the Supra with investment could get there but physics says no. I’m only asking for one attribute of a supercar, the acceleration. What goes into supercars is so much more than speed, materials are a huge portion of what makes them super. They sacrifice everything in pursuit of ultimate performance. They turn better, stop better, but there’s no need for those attributes on the street.
Todays modern big displacement cars with some mods meet my acceleration requirements while meeting my GT requirements. I’m not asking for a Koenigsegg Regera.

You said you need 900 whp in a 3300 lb Supra. The Tesla plaid is 1000 whp at 4800 lb, so by your own requirements it falls about 300 whp short and blows your budget by ~$50k out of box.

The 2023 demon makes ~750 whp on pump gas at 4300 lb, so it’s over 400 whp short and also blows your budget by ~$20k out of the box.

So if by “half way there” you mean you’d need to double your budget to hit your requirements, then I agree.

On the other hand, if a stock 2023 demon on pump gas makes enough power for you, then you don’t need 900 whp in a Supra, you only need about 575 whp to match that power/weight. That’s doable with a mild turbo upgrade.

Remind me again why you don’t want to go flex fuel so you can run whatever gas you have available? E85 when you’re near your station at home and dropping to 93 if required on road trips? You’re surely not going to need 100% of the power when on family road trips, right?

 

[razorlab]

You said you need 900 whp in a 3300 lb Supra. The Tesla plaid is 1000 whp at 4800 lb, so by your own requirements it falls about 300 whp short and blows your budget by ~$50k out of box.

The 2023 demon makes ~750 whp on pump gas at 4300 lb, so it’s over 400 whp short and also blows your budget by ~$20k out of the box.

So if by “half way there” you mean you’d need to double your budget to hit your requirements, then I agree.

On the other hand, if a stock 2023 demon on pump gas makes enough power for you, then you don’t need 900 whp in a Supra, you only need about 575 whp to match that power/weight. That’s doable with a mild turbo upgrade.

Remind me again why you don’t want to go flex fuel so you can run whatever gas you have available? E85 when you’re near your station at home and dropping to 93 if required on road trips? You’re surely not going to need 100% of the power when on family road trips, right?

The issue here is that his wants are rooted in emotion, not reality.

We all know a 1000hp car on 93 octane, for under $100k doesn’t exist in reality. Anyone that has even built a 700hp car knows that all too well.

The hellcat demon is the closest 1000hp turnkey example but it’s over $100k and runs on Ethanol to make that number.

 

[bushido]

You said you need 900 whp in a 3300 lb Supra. The Tesla plaid is 1000 whp at 4800 lb, so by your own requirements it falls about 300 whp short and blows your budget by ~$50k out of box.

The 2023 demon makes ~750 whp on pump gas at 4300 lb, so it’s over 400 whp short and also blows your budget by ~$20k out of the box.

So if by “half way there” you mean you’d need to double your budget to hit your requirements, then I agree.

On the other hand, if a stock 2023 demon on pump gas makes enough power for you, then you don’t need 900 whp in a Supra, you only need about 575 whp to match that power/weight. That’s doable with a mild turbo upgrade.

Remind me again why you don’t want to go flex fuel so you can run whatever gas you have available? E85 when you’re near your station at home and dropping to 93 if required on road trips? You’re surely not going to need 100% of the power when on family road trips, right?

he said halfway there. OP has been transparent and respectful the entire thread, regardless of his unorthodox desire. no need to attack him because his views are different than yours. relax.

 

[suicidaleggroll]

he said halfway there. OP has been transparent and respectful the entire thread, regardless of his unorthodox desire. no need to attack him because his views are different than yours. relax.

How was I attacking? I’m just trying to bring him back down to reality. A power to weight ratio of 0.27 whp/lb is not going to happen for <$100k, certainly not in a quiet, daily driveable, family and road-trip friendly GT car. His requirements seem all over the map.

 

[humblemoto]

You said you need 900 whp in a 3300 lb Supra. The Tesla plaid is 1000 whp at 4800 lb, so by your own requirements it falls about 300 whp short and blows your budget by ~$50k out of box.

The 2023 demon makes ~750 whp on pump gas at 4300 lb, so it’s over 400 whp short and also blows your budget by ~$20k out of the box.

So if by “half way there” you mean you’d need to double your budget to hit your requirements, then I agree.

On the other hand, if a stock 2023 demon on pump gas makes enough power for you, then you don’t need 900 whp in a Supra, you only need about 575 whp to match that power/weight. That’s doable with a mild turbo upgrade.

Remind me again why you don’t want to go flex fuel so you can run whatever gas you have available? E85 when you’re near your station at home and dropping to 93 if required on road trips? You’re surely not going to need 100% of the power when on family road trips, right?

Thanks for the thoughtful response. The “family road-trips” are with my wife and I and the idea of not meeting my goals 90% of the time makes we question having them in the first place.
As @razorlab said this is very much an emotional challenge, nobody needs a recreational vehicle. This isn’t the first time nor will it be the last time resources have been a limitation.
My advice for anyone reading this that is on the fence about this or any other purchase. Do some soul searching, I impulse purchased the wrong thing, that doesn’t make it a bad thing, just not what I want.

My goals may be uncommon but are very clear to me, especially now.
I will find a way to make a 60-130 monster that is comfortable and reliable, it won’t be a Supra and likely won’t be cheap. I disagree that it has to be a quarter million dollar or above supercar but only I can decide what’s “good enough.”

 

[suicidaleggroll]

the idea of not meeting my goals 90% of the time makes we question having them in the first place.

I don’t know where you live or the fuel situation there, all I can say is that I’ve been running flex fuel for 2 years and I’ve only had to fill up with regular pump gas once, because I was just about out of gas when I got to the station and they happened to be out of E85 that day. Then again I live in Colorado where E85 is everywhere.

My goals may be uncommon but are very clear to me, especially now.
I will find a way to make a 60-130 monster that is comfortable and reliable, it won’t be a Supra and likely won’t be cheap.

Best of luck. The simplest path I can think of is probably a used hellcat/demon with a decent amount of miles on it, and a bunch of work. I wouldn’t exactly put any Dodge in the “reliable” category even without doubling the power, and it probably won’t happen for <$100k, but it’ll probably be the closest.

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