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No way should there be any sort of fueling issues on 93 at 450whp if tuned correctly.

I run E40 on a Pure700 making more power with a 100% stock fueling system.

5500 rpm @ 24.5 psi = 107* HPFP angle
6800 rpm @ 27.5 psi = 103* HPFP angle

max HPFP angle is 126*

At that boost/power, LPFP is just fine.
ah, i meant because of fueling issues, it's at 450whp.
i mentioned fuel because this is my other DAW reference: https://www.supramkv.com/threads/fp-green-a90-turbo.15315/post-271621

i'm sure you're familiar with the thread :p

edit: interesting. what we also have here are 2 port and 6 port results!
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ah, i meant because of fueling issues, it's at 450whp.
i mentioned fuel because this is my other DAW reference: https://www.supramkv.com/threads/fp-green-a90-turbo.15315/post-271621

i'm sure you're familiar with the thread :p

edit: interesting. what we also have here are 2 port and 6 port results!
Right, but what I am saying is on *93 octane*, it shouldn't even be close to the stock fueling system constraints at that power level. I am running *E40* making more power with the stock fueling system.

Would be good to know the boost level the OP is running but I doubt it's more than 27.5psi. On 93 you make power by adding boost as you are timing limited. Adding Ethanol allows you to get closer to MBT.
 

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No way should there be any sort of fueling issues on 93 at 450whp if tuned correctly.

I run E40 on a Pure700 making more power with a 100% stock fueling system.

5500 rpm @ 24.5 psi = 107* HPFP angle
6800 rpm @ 27.5 psi = 103* HPFP angle

max HPFP angle is 126*


At that boost/power, LPFP is just fine.
Right, but what I am saying is on *93 octane*, it shouldn't even be close to the stock fueling system constraints at that power level. I am running *E40* making more power with the stock fueling system.
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I sincerely appreciate your post but this is the 2nd time I've seen poor numbers from this turbo which isn't even available anymore. The other post was removed from facebook after some drama. Unless you have a tune or mechanical issue the turbo doesn't appear to be a great option. Unfortunately the flow max isn't available for the 2 port but the ultra flow r seems legit. Thanks again for the results! I was looking at getting one but will have to pass.
 

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I think they knew the original one was sh*t. I have 2 friends that got it for their m340’s and both blew a turbo seal on only 30-32psi. They both got it warrantied and one went with the bigger R version
 

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I think they knew the original one was sh*t. I have 2 friends that got it for their m340’s and both blew a turbo seal on only 30-32psi. They both got it warrantied and one went with the bigger R version
My first one blew at 25psi. Second one was fine.

New ones have upgraded internals.

Here is my dyno from the new 6-port Flow Max.

MS109 with port injection.

Was done on a hub dyno at AMS.

Tune is a bit unstable below 4k rpm

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My first one blew at 25psi. Second one was fine.

New ones have upgraded internals.

Here is my dyno from the new 6-port Flow Max.

MS109 with port injection.

Was done on a hub dyno at AMS.

Tune is a bit unstable below 4k rpm

IMG_1470.jpeg
Thanks man. I've seen your post elsewhere and was hoping the flow max would come to 2 port. Oh well..
 

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My first one blew at 25psi. Second one was fine.

New ones have upgraded internals.

Here is my dyno from the new 6-port Flow Max.

MS109 with port injection.

Was done on a hub dyno at AMS.

Tune is a bit unstable below 4k rpm

IMG_1470.jpeg
My friends first dyno run was 605/738 on stock trans. And has no issues. Tq was dialed back a bit
 
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hi,
peak numbers aren't everything, just as 0-60 isn't everything.
the curve has the greatest importance here. spool time, power throughout powerband, is the hybrid turbo breathing passed 5500 rpms, etc.

we also don't know if this is a conservative tune or balls-out tune.

posting a dyno graph is more about a conversation rather than peak numbers. for example, maybe OP is experiencing fuel issues so the tuner had to be more on the conservative side? :dunno:
Right, but what I am saying is on *93 octane*, it shouldn't even be close to the stock fueling system constraints at that power level. I am running *E40* making more power with the stock fueling system.

Would be good to know the boost level the OP is running but I doubt it's more than 27.5psi. On 93 you make power by adding boost as you are timing limited. Adding Ethanol allows you to get closer to MBT.
I sincerely appreciate your post but this is the 2nd time I've seen poor numbers from this turbo which isn't even available anymore. The other post was removed from facebook after some drama. Unless you have a tune or mechanical issue the turbo doesn't appear to be a great option. Unfortunately the flow max isn't available for the 2 port but the ultra flow r seems legit. Thanks again for the results! I was looking at getting one but will have to pass.
I appreciate yalls concern. looking at the logs im seeing peak boost at like 22.3 with the latest tune revision. seems pretty conservative? too conservative even on DI? my beginning expectations was an aggressive tune for the steet. not dailying my car so i wanted something aggressive. i hate to talk trash about a tuner but there wasnt much detailed correspondence other than "log looks good". never really communicated any issues if there were any. this is my first time custom tuning so do yall think its fair to follow-up with my turner and ask if there were any issues and show him dyno graphs and see if theres any way he can improve the tune?
 

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I appreciate yalls concern. looking at the logs im seeing peak boost at like 22.3 with the latest tune revision. seems pretty conservative? too conservative even on DI? my beginning expectations was an aggressive tune for the steet. not dailying my car so i wanted something aggressive. i hate to talk trash about a tuner but there wasnt much detailed correspondence other than "log looks good". never really communicated any issues if there were any. this is my first time custom tuning so do yall think its fair to follow-up with my turner and ask if there were any issues and show him dyno graphs and see if theres any way he can improve the tune?
If those are your goals, I definitely would see if he can turn up boost / timing. If it doesn't make over 500-525whp I'd ask Shawn to see if you could replace it with the ultra flow r. Slightly more lag but great usable power. Unfortunately it seems like several others have ran into issues with this turbo so the ultra flow r might be DAWs only solution for the 2 port. The minimal info out there on this turbo points that direction.
 

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After reading into these DAW turbo it seems as if the results of the pure 800/850 are way better and most tuners know how to work with those turbos being the most common turbo upgrade. I was really looking into upgrading my turbo over winter looks like I’m leaning towards pure 800 again but just hesitant hearing their recent quality control issues.
 

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After reading into these DAW turbo it seems as if the results of the pure 800/850 are way better and most tuners know how to work with those turbos being the most common turbo upgrade. I was really looking into upgrading my turbo over winter looks like I’m leaning towards pure 800 again but just hesitant hearing their recent quality control issues.
I would not hesitate on the DAW flow max on the 6 port or ultra flow r if you are looking for decent power (ultra flow r is bigger). It just seems like the 2 port 1st version ultra flow (which OP has) just isn't it.
 

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Baseline numbers would have been nice. If it’s a regular reading dyno this seems very unimpressive on 93 octane. Only 10-15hp more than stock turbo on 93 and an OTS map.

Are you planning on running ethanol?
 

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Hey yall. Just wanted to share some dyno numbers on the DAW Ultra Flow Turbo since theres not a lot of data for this turbo specifically for the supra. This is the original release of the ultra flow not the revised "r" model. 2020 supra 3.0 2 port. Dyno used was a Dynojet. Running stock intake, catless dp, tomei exhaust, 93 fuel. Final numbers are 458hp/496tq. Not that it would make a huge difference but the dyno tech forgot to turn AC all the way off in the car (i had it on before handing over the keys so its my fault haha). Not the best numbers comparing with other hybrid turbos on 93 but ill take it. Car feels pretty good so im happy. Just wanted to serve as a reference for prospective hybrid turbo buyers.
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I've been told there was no original ultra flow for the 2 port and that all 2 port ultra flows are in fact the revised versions but are not stamped with a "R". I have one but have not installed it yet. I've also been told you can tell by the blades... If they are flat it is an original version but if they are curved it is the revised version this is what mine looks like.

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