Kaizen
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Of course you can lolDrive? WHat do you mean? I can determine how the car feels and drive from stat sheets alone!
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Of course you can lolDrive? WHat do you mean? I can determine how the car feels and drive from stat sheets alone!
Should have added /sOf course you can lol
First off, many these so called "car enthusiasts" that hate this new Supra lack the understanding of the politics of what being a successful modern day manufacturer has become. Not only that but NOBODY HAS EVEN DRIVEN THE CAR YET. When ANYTHING new comes out it is only human nature to criticize anything new, as finding flaws is easier then anything else for us its simply human nature. Look at almost any post 2000's sports cars that are in the "affordable" bracket wether it's Mustangs, Camaros, 370's, etc and I would guarantee theres a healthy amount of resistance to change. Considering just how much popularity there is for the supra worldwide 25 years after it was released I'm not overly surprised that theres an equal amount of bad initial publicity for it.
The major consensus is that we want something as close to what was made over 25 years ago by Toyota, myself included. But in an environment where profit, steady sales and reliability of the more "mediocre" models is the focus to a massively successful automotive company quite frankly there is no room to develop sports cars at an "everyman" price level without incurring massive losses or cost cutting. This is a huge part of the reason that Toyota teamed up with BMW in the first place, without this partnership a fully in house designed vehicle would be significantly more, and thats assuming it makes it past these penny pinching committees. The bottom line is that we can't have our cake and eat it too.
In conclusion, yes I think that we should really appreciate the fact that in a world where ev's and autonomous driving, and "mediocrity" is beginning to take the reigns that this Supra project even made it past the concept phase. When to remain Finanially successful Toyota really didn't have to go to the trouble of even considering to revive the Supra. As I have said in many other threads this is just an initial "base" model good things will come to those who are patient. More enthusiast based models are on the way. that I'm confident will clear up much of this initial hate.
???Meanwhile in your ev and autonomous driving world, BMW is planning an M3 Pure that is going to be a fun RWD, manual with 454hp beast. It's not ignorance that majority of the feedback is negative due to a platform sharing so you don't need to justify it. This is what Toyota did and this is their result. If you're ok with Z4 performance, that's on you, I'm not.
https://www.motor1.com/news/301618/2020-bmw-m3-pure-details/
I understand your concerns about this but this M3 isnt even out yet and I would find it hard to believe the Supra to be the first model with that configurationMeanwhile in your ev and autonomous driving world, BMW is planning an M3 Pure that is going to be a fun RWD, manual with 454hp beast. It's not ignorance that majority of the feedback is negative due to a platform sharing so you don't need to justify it. This is what Toyota did and this is their result. If you're ok with Z4 performance, that's on you, I'm not.
https://www.motor1.com/news/301618/2020-bmw-m3-pure-details/
This is comparing apples to oranges. Comparing vehicles that are 20,000$ apart ? They're in different leagues. Its like comparing a base SS Camareo to a GT350.Meanwhile in your ev and autonomous driving world, BMW is planning an M3 Pure that is going to be a fun RWD, manual with 454hp beast. It's not ignorance that majority of the feedback is negative due to a platform sharing so you don't need to justify it. This is what Toyota did and this is their result. If you're ok with Z4 performance, that's on you, I'm not.
https://www.motor1.com/news/301618/2020-bmw-m3-pure-details/
Not at all exaggerating here, but I think this supra will out "legacy" the A80. I have a hunch this car will be revered for years to come. A good amount of A80 fans out there. But this car will expand from strictly Toyota fans into the realm of car fans that the A80 just doesn't touch as much.I have been waiting for a new Supra for a long time, just like all of you, but this isn't it. I don't care how you all justify it, but deep down YOU ALL KNOW that Toyota let us down! How can you all even begin to compare the engineering and passion that went into the A80 vs the A90? I understand that the 90's was different and every car maker in Japan was going crazy trying to produce the best sports car they could, but this seems like a half ass attempt IMO. I am beyond excited that Toyota is releasing a new sports car and I'm sure it's going to be a beast in the aftermarket world, but a Supra... really? The fact some of you are defending the lack of a manual is beyond me! Yes, auto's are faster and no one is denying that, but Toyota themselves said they were building this car for passionate fans. I mean they have a commercial of Camry's racing through Monaco for Gods sake! I hope this car does well and I will probably buy one down the road used, but this isn't the successor to the Supra lineage
This is comparing apples to oranges. Comparing vehicles that are 20,000$ apart ? They're in different leagues. Its like comparing a base SS Camareo to a GT350.
You guys and your price delta. lol???
We're comparing a 49k car to a potentially 66k car? I can't even...
That would be almost as bad as them just trying to save money and lying about their own calibration.Agree. I don’t think the B58 engine from BMW is underpowered. I believe the main reason why Toyota didn’t go on par with the Z4’s 382hp is because of reliability issues. It’s reliability over hp in Toyota’s case.
I hope so! This is Toyota's plan to get "car" people to start buying their mkv because they know everyone knows the word SupraNot at all exaggerating here, but I think this supra will out "legacy" the A80. I have a hunch this car will be revered for years to come. A good amount of A80 fans out there. But this car will expand from strictly Toyota fans into the realm of car fans that the A80 just doesn't touch as much.
Here is the link in better resolution if you click on each page.I realllly want to read that. Must zoom