The MKIV vs MKV Thread

For those with mkiv's, will you be selling yours to get a mkv?


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The headlights aren't clean
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That's how the 93-96 headlights tend to look. Even the Euro glass ones sort of have a dull look to it mostly due to the dispersion optics on the cover and the chrome look housing. That's why most upgrade to the 97-98 headlights since it has the black housing, chrome rings for the high beam and with less dispersion on the lens.

The 121K MKIV has the dull look too.
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The JDM Supra RZ with 280hp though. ;)
 

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THIS!! I am excited/hopeful that with the release and excitement around the MKV, companies will also start updating or producing new parts for the MKIV as well. Doubtful, but you never know
That would be awesome like Nismo's Heritage Parts Program is doing for the Skyline R33 and R34 GTR's.

This shot really emphasizes the similarities in the rears of the two after 25 years of design influence. ( I still lol when I hear people say it looks like a z4)
Can you please elaborate more on the similarities. I see more FT-1 and very minimal MKIV styling cues. I do see BMW cues with the dual exit exhaust (also from the FT-1), reflectors above the tips, 3d dome emblem, ducktail (both BMW influenced) and the tapered rear glass similar to the FT-1 but also rendered back in 2010.

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That would be awesome like Nismo's Heritage Parts Program is doing for the Skyline R33 and R34 GTR's.



Can you please elaborate more on the similarities. I see more FT-1 and very minimal MKIV styling cues. I do see BMW cues with the dual exit exhaust (also from the FT-1), reflectors above the tips, 3d dome emblem, duckbill (both BMW influenced) and the tapered rear glass similar to the FT-1 but also rendered back in 2010. The FT-1's ducktail went up and not towards the rear.

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Thats not even a real BMW model, its a rendering of a hardtop E89


The quad exhaust and diffuser are by-products of modern styling, thats pretty much the status quo on any new sports car. Also that isn't a BMW styling cue, the entire industry uses diffusers and dual exhausts.

Reflectors hidden in the diffuser is also a modern design element that isn't specific to BMW

I am pretty sure the new Camry uses the same emblem on the front end.

The A80 and A90 duckbills goes both out at 45 with A90 being more obtuse on the up portion. We can get incredibly granular about the Z4 and FT1 duckbills but that argument ignores that the A80 (and A70) have duckbills of their own
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As for similarities, I don't know any better way to say it than the A90 looks like the A80 if it were flexing. Lines become more pronounced and more aggressive, proportions exaggerated and muscular, and elements become meaner.
 

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Thats not even a real BMW model, its a rendering of a hardtop E89


The quad exhaust and diffuser are by-products of modern styling, thats pretty much the status quo on any new sports car. Also that isn't a BMW styling cue, the entire industry uses diffusers and dual exhausts.

Reflectors hidden in the diffuser is also a modern design element that isn't specific to BMW

I am pretty sure the new Camry uses the same emblem on the front end.

The A80 and A90 duckbills goes both out at 45 with A90 being more obtuse on the up portion. We can get incredibly granular about the Z4 and FT1 duckbills but that argument ignores that the A80 (and A70) have duckbills of their own
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As for similarities, I don't know any better way to say it than the A90 looks like the A80 if it were flexing. Lines become more pronounced and more aggressive, proportions exaggerated and muscular, and elements become meaner.
True, I did mention it was a rendering but it was a reference to how the rear glass tapers like the E86.
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About the exhaust, I didn't say quad exhaust, I said dual exit. The Camry front emblem is domed but the rear is regular ol Toyota emblem. Yeah, it's common trend on sports cars today to have dual exit (as with sedans and SUV's with the lower bumper exhaust tips integrated into the bumper trend) but I thought we're talking about the MKV and MKIV similarities.

Again, I don't see it. When I see the MKV rear, I see a heavily inspired FT-1 rear end and very little MKIV.
 

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Again, I don't see it. When I see the MKV rear, I see a heavily inspired FT-1 rear end and very little MKIV.
(I don't know why I wrote quad tips as a synonym for dual exit)

I am not talking about physical similarities, I am talking about how the design similarities of the car has transformed over 25 years. There's no way they would look remotely similar after all this time, very few 90s cars have profound similarites with that respective model today.
Unfortunately for the Supra, 16 years being out of production means it has lost 2 generations to make the gradual design transition from the 1993 design to 2020 design.
If we imagine the FT-1 being a MK4.5, then we can more easily see the transition from MK4 -> FT1 (MK4.5?) -> MK5.
 

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(I don't know why I wrote quad tips as a synonym for dual exit)

I am not talking about physical similarities, I am talking about how the design similarities of the car has transformed over 25 years. There's no way they would look remotely similar after all this time, very few 90s cars have profound similarites with that respective model today.
Unfortunately for the Supra, 16 years being out of production means it has lost 2 generations to make the gradual design transition from the 1993 design to 2020 design.
If we imagine the FT-1 being a MK4.5, then we can more easily see the transition from MK4 -> FT1 (MK4.5?) -> MK5.
Oh ok. True, there are a few cars that transition to the next generation well but most tend to deviate so much that it could be qualify as a completely different model. IMO, Toyota is one of those who like to change it up so much.

Most would agree (myself included) that the FT-1 was destined to be the next Supra because it was rolling art. I know it was exaggerated but it was something from Calty. It had a very nice wide and low exotic stance, it looked like it was very fast and ready to destroy any car that pulled up next to it. It had a very race-oriented and luxurious interior. All presented in glory and immediately blessed by those who saw it. Yet didn't look anything like the MKIV.
 

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Oh ok. True, there are a few cars that transition to the next generation well but most tend to deviate so much that it could be qualify as a completely different model. IMO, Toyota is one of those who like to change it up so much.

Most would agree (myself included) that the FT-1 was destined to be the next Supra because it was rolling art. I know it was exaggerated but it was something from Calty. It had a very nice wide and low exotic stance, it looked like it was very fast and ready to destroy any car that pulled up next to it. It had a very race-oriented and luxurious interior. All presented in glory and immediately blessed by those who saw it. Yet didn't look anything like the MKIV.
So with that mindset...since concepts are open books, are we waiting for the R36 to look like this?! :dunno:

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Even though the Supra name was out of production, the MKIV was still being succeeded (imo) by the LFA (High end), FT-1 (Mid range) and the FT-HS/86 (Low end). They are all Front engine, rear wheel driven coupes that share the same philosophy. LC-F will succeed the LFA, We got the MKV from the FT-1 and the 86 from the FT-86 and soon the 2nd gen 86. They all share the same DNA and you can definitely find similarities between them:

- LFA has the same side profile as a lowered MKIV.
- Head lights on the 86 are very similar to the ones on the LFA.
- Door vents on the MKIV, LFA and MKV.
- All 4 cars have almost the same dimensions.
 
 




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