Analysis, Comments & Reactions from the Web about the new Supra

[kona61]

Though the MKV doesn't quite reach the numbers of a benchmarked 718 S , I think it's still an achievement that it offers similar performance levels while being around 25k less when similarly equipped, e.g. sports chrono, PDK, PASM.

It beats the 718 in handling (outright grip) and comes close to its acceleration.

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[boxer6]

I still think it’s hilarious how you “Supra” enthusiasts act like the MKIV is the only one. Don’t forget to hate the other 3 generations!

The Mk4 is what cemented the Supra name in automotive history, though admittedly, the Mk3 also had some racing history in Group A. Without the Mk4, it is unlikely the new Supra would have received as much hype or attention as it did.

 

[boxer6]

It beats the 718 in handling (outright grip) and comes close to its acceleration.

The skidpad results for the MkV are in great company with some very impressive cars, especially considering how many are running much stickier tires (Cup 2's, Trofeos, etc.)

 

[Matador]

Waits to hear how shocked ppl are at the price and availability when the GR Super Sport comes to the market. And the LCF. lol

 

[dgh]

IMO that is generally the standpoint many of those that have not experienced a MKIV, especially in its hey day. Nearly no one is arguing that the Zupra is not a great car, but is it a great Supra? Those who have experienced the glory that is TT 6 sp and BMW side, mostly seem to have a different opinion.

It's called a Supra and it's a great car, so I'd say it's a great Supra.

 

[DesmoSD]

I still think it’s hilarious how you “Supra” enthusiasts act like the MKIV is the only one. Don’t forget to hate the other 3 generations!

It's not our fault, it was classic, clever Toyota marketing.

 

[Supra Turbo]

I still think it’s hilarious how you “Supra” enthusiasts act like the MKIV is the only one. Don’t forget to hate the other 3 generations!

It's called a Supra and it's a great car, so I'd say it's a great Supra.

Looks like I've really ruffled some feathers in here. Oh well, I suppose opinions are like assholes... everyone's got one.

The MKIV was going up against the big dogs, 300ZX TT, Acura NSX NA, 911 turbo (964 and 993), Corvette C4 ZR-1, Skyline GTR, RX-7 TT and E36 M3.

The Mk4 is what cemented the Supra name in automotive history, though admittedly, the Mk3 also had some racing history in Group A. Without the Mk4, it is unlikely the new Supra would have received as much hype or attention as it did.

Ditto.

Of course I am. The 911 Turbo is a $180k car...gotta remember that Porsche has been committed to producing sports cars while Toyota was dormant for 21 years lol.
There's a certain degree of how realistic we need to be in regards to the MKV. It competes well with cars in price segments 40k higher than itself. The playing field has changed since the 90s and sure, Akio and Tada San could have made a $140k in house Supra, but that would have just left many of us in a seat where we'd simply brag about its existence and complain about its price rather than sit in the driver seat, enjoy it, and tune it to our liking.

The 911 Turbo was a $180k car give or take in 1993 too, readjusted for inflation. Yet the MKIV was still able to compete with it in a lot of categories.

Carry on...

 

[kona61]

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Not ruffled per-se. I understand the points that such as the lack of a manual, or the fact that Toyota has the capability to have developed it themselves. However, I still am willing to give the car a chance simply because times have changed.

Similarly, these arguments of prices from the 90's to now are not equivalent. We must recall the Japanese economy was much stronger back then and the yen was much weaker than the dollar. Therefore, inflation is not the only metric one must take into account when speaking of historical prices and whatnot.

 

[dgh]

Of course I am. The 911 Turbo is a $180k car...gotta remember that Porsche has been committed to producing sports cars while Toyota was dormant for 21 years lol.
There's a certain degree of how realistic we need to be in regards to the MKV. It competes well with cars in price segments 40k higher than itself. The playing field has changed since the 90s and sure, Akio and Tada San could have made a $140k in house Supra, but that would have just left many of us in a seat where we'd simply brag about its existence and complain about its price rather than sit in the driver seat, enjoy it, and tune it to our liking.

Looks like I've really ruffled some feathers in here. Oh well, I suppose opinions are like assholes... everyone's got one.





Ditto.



The 911 Turbo was a $180k car give or take in 1993 too, readjusted for inflation. Yet the MKIV was still able to compete with it in a lot of categories.

Carry on...

Didn't ruffle my feathers. I got no skin in this game. I'd be interested in this car no matter what its name was.

 

[DesmoSD]

Of course I am. The 911 Turbo is a $180k car...gotta remember that Porsche has been committed to producing sports cars while Toyota was dormant for 21 years lol.
There's a certain degree of how realistic we need to be in regards to the MKV. It competes well with cars in price segments 40k higher than itself. The playing field has changed since the 90s and sure, Akio and Tada San could have made a $140k in house Supra, but that would have just left many of us in a seat where we'd simply brag about its existence and complain about its price rather than sit in the driver seat, enjoy it, and tune it to our liking.

This is the problem with Toyota. Their focus shifted to sedans, SUVs and hybrids creating a bigger division within itself (Lexus/Toyota/Scion) leaving the sports car segment to Lexus. Now after this long hiatus, Toyota can only fill the sports car market with joint developments.

I still want to see the MKV up close n personal and spend some time to survey the lines, exterior, interior bits, engine bay with my own eyes. My 911's value is slowly on the rise and in the used market, cheaper then a MKV at MSRP. That rear engine flat 6 and the driving experience are remarkable all with being in the similar spec; 355hp. 0-60 in 4.1, 3130 lbs

 

[Supra21]

Looks like I've really ruffled some feathers in here. Oh well, I suppose opinions are like assholes... everyone's got one.





Ditto.



The 911 Turbo was a $180k car give or take in 1993 too, readjusted for inflation. Yet the MKIV was still able to compete with it in a lot of categories.

Carry on...

Granted I agree...that's my point! Would you rather have a $140k Supra to compete with it?! Surely it'll be quite the performer; however, where would the market be?! Companies already have difficulty pushing low volume sports cars in cheaper segments! How many would Toyota actually sell at that price point and considering that minuscule quantity, would the R&D make financial sense.
Furthermore, compared to the 90's Porsche's sports car range has grown and they were able to do so when it was financially feasible (not to mention, Porsche is a sports car company...it's what they do). Hence, new competition and another market segment the Supra fits into.
Like many...I'm just happy Toyota made a Supra that's attainable and aftermarket friendly. Remember...more aftermarket friendly than Porsche.

 

[Supra21]

This is the problem with Toyota. Their focus shifted to sedans, SUVs and hybrids creating a bigger division within itself (Lexus/Toyota/Scion) leaving the sports car segment to Lexus. Now after this long hiatus, Toyota can only fill the sports car market with joint developments.

I still want to see the MKV up close n personal and spend some time to survey the lines, exterior, interior bits, engine bay with my own eyes. My 911's value is slowly on the rise and in the used market, cheaper then a MKV at MSRP. That rear engine flat 6 and the driving experience are remarkable all with being in the similar spec; 355hp. 0-60 in 4.1, 3130 lbs

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I'm simply trying to bring some sense into what Toyota did...being that it was this or nothing.
The car deserves the time of day and in person experiences based on the reviews. Given the heritage and increasing values of Porsche's, I myself am cross shopping this Supra with the 718 Cayman (new) and a 911 (used).

 

[DesmoSD]

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I'm simply trying to bring some sense into what Toyota did...being that it was this or nothing.
The car deserves the time of day and in person experiences based on the reviews. Given the heritage and increasing values of Porsche's, I myself am cross shopping this Supra with the 718 Cayman (new) and a 911 (used).

I know, I was just adding to your post. I apologize if it sounded like I was in a debate with your post.

That's a great One thing to add and I don't mean to come off as an elite Porsche fanboi but once you own a Porsche, you sort of become part of the "familia". Porsche has so many PCA events, parties, HPDE, driving schools, driving clinics, Tech Tatics, Motorsport open houses, Luftgekuhlt, Period Correct, Pelican Parts Cars n Coffee, PCA canyon runs that make owning a Porsche very cool.

I say drive the Supra first then a Porsche. The PDK will expose the flaws with the Supra's AT.

Toyota used to have a lot of customer interaction when their HQ was in Southern California. Not so much anymore. If Toyota wants people to get excited about the new Supra and change the opinions, having a special invite for Youtubers car reviews is pretty tame. Toyota should do what BMW does and have a first come, first serve free M trackdays session at Thermal when the M4 GTS came out.

 

[kona61]

I know, I was just adding to your post. I apologize if it sounded like I was in a debate with your post.

That's a great One thing to add and I don't mean to come off as an elite Porsche fanboi but once you own a Porsche, you sort of become part of the "familia". Porsche has so many PCA events, parties, HPDE, driving schools, driving clinics, Tech Tatics, Motorsport open houses, luftgekuhlt, Period Correct, Pelican Parts Cars n Coffee, PCA canyon runs that make owning a Porsche very cool.

I say drive the Supra first then a Porsche. The PDK will expose the flaws with the Supra's AT.

Toyota used to have a lot of customer interaction when their HQ was in Southern California. Not so much anymore. If Toyota wants people to get excited about the new Supra and change the opinions, having a special invite for Youtubers car reviews is pretty tame. Toyota should do what BMW does and have a first come, first serve free M trackdays session at Thermal when the M4 GTS came out.

I don't know about that. The PDK is awesome 99% of the time, don't get me wrong. I've had two. But, that transmission has some issues with predictability that sometimes can put you in bad situations.

I also recall that Matt Farah said this is the best tuned ZF trans he has driven, high praise for a journalist with experience with so many cars.

 

[RyanGT3RS]

Granted I agree...that's my point! Would you rather have a $140k Supra to compete with it?! Surely it'll be quite the performer; however, where would the market be?! Companies already have difficulty pushing low volume sports cars in cheaper segments! How many would Toyota actually sell at that price point and considering that minuscule quantity, would the R&D make financial sense.
Furthermore, compared to the 90's Porsche's sports car range has grown and they were able to do so when it was financially feasible (not to mention, Porsche is a sports car company...it's what they do). Hence, new competition and another market segment the Supra fits into.
Like many...I'm just happy Toyota made a Supra that's attainable and aftermarket friendly. Remember...more aftermarket friendly than Porsche.

Porsche, in the 90’s were having financial problems, hence why the Boxster came, and slowly they were expanding their portfolio over the years.

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