New Toyota Supra shown to EU dealers!

[A70TTR]

They need more Mission Impossible and Jason Bourne in their lives.

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[PREDATOR786]

They need more Mission Impossible and Jason Bourne in their lives.

 

[HKz]

I always said, and I was 110% serious, that I would have bought the car even as a Scion (rather Toyota but w/e) had it come with a traditional inline-4 or a V6.

I'm not a fan of Subaru motors (unreliable, heavy, and overcomplex in my opinion).

...considering the fa20 is NA and is built for toyota (subie wouldnt dare put out anything problematic) it hasn't had reliability issues...consumer reports named it the 2nd most reliable vehicle sold in the US this year.

 

[A70TTR]

I wont get into a pissing match over reliability, and I'll concede that I feel its much better than the EJs, but its still heavy at hell at 377lbs without trans (thats heavier than many 6cyls), and I feel a 4cyl with two heads/components is ridiculous.

 

[DevonK]

I wont get into a pissing match over reliability, and I'll concede that I feel its much better than the EJs, but its still heavy at hell at 377lbs without trans (thats heavier than many 6cyls), and I feel a 4cyl with two heads/components is ridiculous.

And don't forget it sounds like s#!t. They should have at least used UEL headers on it to give that STI rumble.

 

[clanky17]

Do you think they will change a few years later the GR Supra to Toyota Supra as happened to last-gen Dodge Viper (SRT Viper and they renamed Dodge Viper)?

 

[DevonK]

I agree with those thoughts as well, the Celica should start around $40k because it's competition will be the 370Z. The Z is old however and the Celica will be FAR faster around the track due to it's crazy low weight, so the bump in premium is justifiable IMO.

GRMN/TRD could then come in from $60-65k and they would have a decent line-up feature wise and price wise.

Yeah a $15k CAD premium for the better power to weight and the 300 pounds of less bodyfat than the Z, as well as newer tech is completely reasonable.

But not all new tech is better tech. In two test drives this week of the base 370Z I was deeply impressed with the steering feel that car has with its "outdated" hydraulically assisted rack. It had more feel than both the GT86 and the MX-5 ND, which are both state of the art electric. The overall analog feel of the Z is very tempting at $32k - it's a go-to for me if the Celica comes in at double the price.

 

[HKz]

I wont get into a pissing match over reliability, and I'll concede that I feel its much better than the EJs, but its still heavy at hell at 377lbs without trans (thats heavier than many 6cyls), and I feel a 4cyl with two heads/components is ridiculous.

your other 2 points were fair, though i think you can't disagree that the engine layout contributes to the way the 86 handles.

 

[A70TTR]

I try to be level headed despite holding like opinions as anyone does, but you are correct in that I do not discount the contribution to the handling.

I also feel it neccessary to say a comparison to other boxer motors wasn't very fair for the reasons you stated; the FA is very reliable motor based on the facts.

 

[A70TTR]

Yeah a $15k CAD premium for the better power to weight and the 300 pounds of less bodyfat than the Z, as well as newer tech is completely reasonable.

But not all new tech is better tech. In two test drives this week of the base 370Z I was deeply impressed with the steering feel that car has with its "outdated" hydraulically assisted rack. It had more feel than both the GT86 and the MX-5 ND, which are both state of the art electric. The overall analog feel of the Z is very tempting at $32k - it's a go-to for me if the Celica comes in at double the price.

Those are good points, and I agree with you especially in regards to steering. The Z may be an old car but it still has plenty of positives and there is a reason it still sells.

 

[Captain_Kirk]

Could the car that was shown to EU dealers be a prototype? Like the 89 NS-X prototype?

 

[Carmaker1]

Could the car that was shown to EU dealers be a prototype? Like the 89 NS-X prototype?

Mostly likely, just like the LC500 shown at NAIAS 2016. It wasn't the full deal, but a "production concept". In those cases, pilot production hasn't even started, so showing a hand built pre-production running prototype or 1:1 styling mockup makes the most sense due to timing.

This was the case with the NS-X Concept and NAIAS 2016 showing of the LC 500, as although the final design was completed by early 1988, it was far from done on the engineering side of things (eng. sign-off was circa January 1990), by December 1988 and the Chicago show was less than 2 months away in February 1989. They basically showed a running version of the 1988 mock-up

NS-X 1:1 Styling Proposal 1987.(Won't post photos of final choice in 1987)

Acura NS-X Prototype February 1989; Hand-Assembled December 1988

1991 Acura NSX, built post-August 1990

When engineering sign-off takes place in 2018, you will start to see the 100% production-spec car. Doesn't really matter anyway, as what they showed is 99% identical to production. The design was frozen almost 3 years ago and set in the 3rd quarter of 2014. Really shouldn't be taking this long, as a 2014 design approval is too early for a MY2020. (I digress)

Example: Lexus LF-LC Concept January 9, 2012 NAIAS; Hand-assembled November 2011.

950A Programme Prototype of URZ100 coupe; Hand-assembled by 950A Team in 2015 at Aichi HQ (Was a little bit of a concept, based on the prod. car)

MY 2018 Lexus LC 500 coupe (URZ100), Production-Spec, built post March 2017 at Motomachi (Try to spot the differences)

Notice there are very minute, yet still existing differences between the Motomachi built cars versus the hand-assembled in 2015 prototype show models and obviously LF-LC? That is likely what can be shown to dealers as a running example or maybe just a non-running fibreglass mock-up.

On another note, I have these gems from both the coupe in 2010 and the 200B Lexus programme for the LS (XF50) back in 2013. Does this look familiar? Think 2015 Tokyo Motor Show

 

[Captain_Kirk]

Thanks for sharing. Do you have anything "Supra" related?

Mostly likely, just like the LC500 shown at NAIAS 2016. It wasn't the full deal, but a "production concept". In those cases, pilot production hasn't even started, so showing a hand built pre-production running prototype or 1:1 styling mockup makes the most sense due to timing.

This was the case with the NS-X Concept and NAIAS 2016 showing of the LC 500, as although the final design was completed by early 1988, it was far from done on the engineering side of things (eng. sign-off was circa January 1990), by December 1988 and the Chicago show was less than 2 months away in February 1989. They basically showed a running version of the 1988 mock-up

NS-X 1:1 Styling Proposal 1987.(Won't post photos of final choice in 1987)

Acura NS-X Prototype February 1989; Hand-Assembled December 1988

1991 Acura NSX, built post-August 1990

When engineering sign-off takes place in 2018, you will start to see the 100% production-spec car. Doesn't really matter anyway, as what they showed is 99% identical to production. The design was frozen almost 3 years ago and set in the 3rd quarter of 2014. Really shouldn't be taking this long, as a 2014 design approval is too early for a MY2020. (I digress)

Example: Lexus LF-LC Concept January 9, 2012 NAIAS; Hand-assembled November 2011.

950A Programme Prototype of URZ100 coupe; Hand-assembled by 950A Team in 2015 at Aichi HQ (Was a little bit of a concept, based on the prod. car)

MY 2018 Lexus LC 500 coupe (URZ100), Production-Spec, built post March 2017 at Motomachi (Try to spot the differences)

Notice there are very minute, yet still existing differences between the Motomachi built cars versus the hand-assembled in 2015 prototype show models and obviously LF-LC? That is likely what can be shown to dealers as a running example or maybe just a non-running fibreglass mock-up.

On another note, I have these gems from both the coupe in 2010 and the 200B Lexus programme for the LS (XF50) back in 2013. Does this look familiar? Think 2015 Tokyo Motor Show

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

On another note, I have these gems from both the coupe in 2010 and the 200B Lexus programme for the LS (XF50) back in 2013. Does this look familiar? Think 2015 Tokyo Motor Show

I love it Looks very LFAish in the rear.

 

[vb22]

@Carmaker1, have you seen the new Supra? If so, anything you share with us?

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