All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

[A70TTR]

there's far more to it than that, but if that's what you want to believe then that's okay

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[Spilner]

The Yamaha/Toyota relationship is deep in so many ways (historically, financially, and personally) that I doubt Yamaha would ever work with Nissan or anyone else. Plus, Nissan REALLY pissed off Yamaha with the 2000GT ordeal lol. Then to add insult to injury the S30Z that followed...

That said, I agree that letting the Z die is absolutely ridiculous, but that's where we are at now... the GTR died once too though, unfortunately.

This is the company that sacrificed the S16 for the Juke

 

[A70TTR]

Nissans management basically illused Yamaha on the Silvia project, with extreme timelines and demands without wanting to provide the necessary time/funding (a trend you'll notice below). This was hard for Yamaha, but they toughed it out and made it through.

However, as development into the A550X continued, Nissan replaced some engineering and design staff and instead decided that they wanted to build their own car free of partnerships (while also taking much of what they learned from Yamaha and channeling it using Prince Motors). So they used the excuse that the motor in the A550X prototype was too expensive for the market and that the pop-up headlights were not ideal for buyers. These were ridiculous complaints that Yamaha could have easily rectified, but all of this was really about money and company politics. There were also the existing tensions from the previous Silvia project now compounded, so both companies were pretty much done with each other by this point.

So, Yamaha pissed off and in debt due to the A550X went to Toyota, who also more or less turned down the prototype but agreed to work together on the project and integrate existing development from both sides to create what would become the 2000GT.

 

[Sunspot]

Nissans management basically illused Yamaha on the Silvia project, with extreme timelines and demands without wanting to provide the necessary time/funding (a trend you'll notice below). This was hard for Yamaha, but they toughed it out and made it through.

However, as development into the A550X continued, Nissan replaced some engineering and design staff and instead decided that they wanted to build their own car free of partnerships (while also taking much of what they learned from Yamaha and channeling it using Prince Motors). So they used the excuse that the motor in the A550X prototype was too expensive for the market and that the pop-up headlights were not ideal for buyers. These were ridiculous complaints that Yamaha could have easily rectified, but all of this was really about money and company politics. There were also the existing tensions from the previous Silvia project now compounded, so both companies were pretty much done with each other by this point.

So, Yamaha pissed off and in debt due to the A550X went to Toyota, who also more or less turned down the prototype but agreed to work together on the project and integrate existing development from both sides to create what would become the 2000GT.

A70TTR do you think making a limited run of production gives you a better return on investment as opposed to trying to forecast sales? I know this is a marketing question but I think it plays a big part in how much a company will invest in a product.

 

[A70TTR]

definitely a good question, but I'm just a curious as you as to what the correct answer is.

I feel like the general response would be that it depends on a ton of factors, but that the protracted method of selling more over time at a lower price would be the best way to recoup costs and make profit (as well as stay competitive on pricing).

 

[Spilner]

Nissans management basically illused Yamaha on the Silvia project, with extreme timelines and demands without wanting to provide the necessary time/funding (a trend you'll notice below). This was hard for Yamaha, but they toughed it out and made it through.

However, as development into the A550X continued, Nissan replaced some engineering and design staff and instead decided that they wanted to build their own car free of partnerships (while also taking much of what they learned from Yamaha and channeling it using Prince Motors). So they used the excuse that the motor in the A550X prototype was too expensive for the market and that the pop-up headlights were not ideal for buyers. These were ridiculous complaints that Yamaha could have easily rectified, but all of this was really about money and company politics. There were also the existing tensions from the previous Silvia project now compounded, so both companies were pretty much done with each other by this point.

So, Yamaha pissed off and in debt due to the A550X went to Toyota, who also more or less turned down the prototype but agreed to work together on the project and integrate existing development from both sides to create what would become the 2000GT.

 

[SS09ER]

definitely a good question, but I'm just a curious as you as to what the correct answer is.

I feel like the general response would be that it depends on a ton of factors, but that the protracted method of selling more over time at a lower price would be the best way to recoup costs and make profit (as well as stay competitive on pricing).

Sounds like what Nissan does right now with the 370z

 

[A70TTR]

Oh man...

https://drivetribe.com/p/nissan-has...4pxbRoqab2S9VFHjcg?iid=WGclGxRvRfeXyYuxzldQag

 

[SPMS]

Oh man...

https://drivetribe.com/p/nissan-has...4pxbRoqab2S9VFHjcg?iid=WGclGxRvRfeXyYuxzldQag

Might have to add this one. Currently have a 1500rwhp build going on, for a 350z, and daily a G37s. Good too see Nissan coming out swinging. Wonder where the weight will come in.

 

[Guff]

Oh man...

https://drivetribe.com/p/nissan-has...4pxbRoqab2S9VFHjcg?iid=WGclGxRvRfeXyYuxzldQag

399hp/350lbft is respectable. Q60 is a real lump though, with the 3.0 Sport RWD weighing in at 3855lbs. So we'll see how much fat Nissan can actually trim.

 

[A70TTR]

My AWD Q50 Red Sport does pretty well at 400whp, despite the 3900lbs, but you're right in that's pretty damn heavy.

The RWD is lighter though at 3700.

Current Z is like 3250 iirc, so I don't think we will see over 3500lbs.

 

[Nurburgring]

Oh man...
https://drivetribe.com/p/nissan-has...4pxbRoqab2S9VFHjcg?iid=WGclGxRvRfeXyYuxzldQag

That is 100% vaporware, "a dealer told me", "insiders say" clickbait.

This post in the370forums on the other hand, is 100% confirmed:
"I spoke to a dealer and they told me if I was willing to give them money to pre-order the next gen Z, they would take my money. Only specs they told me were the driver seat is actually a toilet and the car runs on bullshìt."

 

[Lexusisf]

Oh man...

https://drivetribe.com/p/nissan-has...4pxbRoqab2S9VFHjcg?iid=WGclGxRvRfeXyYuxzldQag

If that is true, wow but find it hard to beleive...

 

[A70TTR]

Knowing what I know I think it's probably bs, but one can hope.

 

[Modal170]

Knowing what I know I think it's probably bs, but one can hope.

If it is true, then the Supra might need to take some steroids to separate itself from the class if the Z stays the same price

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