All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

[Dannyvandelft]

My brother paid $63k out the door for his 2021 Premium. I was there when he was buying it.

That's taxes and fees included. The MSRP was likely around $58k

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[PerformanceSound]

That's taxes and fees included. The MSRP was likely around $58k

Apply the same fees and taxes to the Z….whats the difference? It will still end up being significantly more than the Z.

 

[supraboi]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/t...2023-zs-spotted-without-camo-in-colorado.481/

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

Nothing wrong with it at all. The whole "more connected" thing is a bunch of BS though. There's absolutely no difference between pulling a paddle to upshift, or move your hand a few inches and do it with a lever instead, which you can do in the Supra too, if you MUST have a phallic object in your hand while driving ?
But seriously, I get it, it adds a degree of skill to driving properly, and that's all good and well, but when I buy/lease a car, I want the best version of it. And that's all preference. A stick, to me, belongs in a car that won't go anywhere in a hurry. Like the GR86, Or a Civic SI, base Cayman/Boxster, or the Z lol. The top of the company's performance car, should have a paddle shift, like the Supra, GT-R, NSX, GT2 RS, C8 and so on. You buy a performance vehicle, it should have performance parts.

That's your opinion so we'll just have agree to disagree.

Another way of looking at things is a cheap entry level sport car like the Z is will most likely walk the 2.0 and just like a .4 seconds slower than a "Toyota" halo car.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Apply the same fees and taxes to the Z….whats the difference? It will still end up being significantly more than the Z.

As it should be. You get a lot more car for the money. Difference is, in the Z you get cheap Nissan shit that isn't worth $30k, let alone 40+ while with the Supra you get quality BMW stuff that under a BMW badge would cost $70k plus. Go spec a Z4 with a B58 and see what you would pay lol.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

That's your opinion so we'll just have agree to disagree.

Another way of looking at things is a cheap entry level sport car like the Z is will most likely walk the 2.0 and just like a .4 seconds slower than a "Toyota" halo car.

If all you care about is 0-60 times, sure. I'm more interested in lap times. Fit and finish, quality, that kinda stuff. If I only used a car to go from 0-60, that would be great. But my drive is longer than 3.8 seconds

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

If all you care about is 0-60 times, sure. I'm more interested in lap times. Fit and finish, quality, that kinda stuff. If I only used a car to go from 0-60, that would be great. But my drive is longer than 3.8 seconds

Looking back you also brought up 0-60 time, but ok. We're also car enthusiasts, but the for the general public the new Z will check off many boxes and at a lower price price point. In other words most people are just going daily this thing. Moving onto fit and finish have you sat in the new Z? I know I haven't, so everyone let's stop playing armchair expert. What I can tell you is the interior on their new gens are an improvement over their predecessors. Again, let's not pretend that the Supra doesn't have any issues.

I'll just end with this. I agree with the poster a few pages back. All these back and forth is getting dumb and old. We don't have all the info on the Z yet and no head to head comparison test. All we have is photos to judge looks by and even that is subjective. Also there is clearly bias on here and over there. Supramkv prefers J29 while Nissanzclub prefers Z34 2.0... shocker I know lol. As someone that doesn't own the MKV or a Z car I can say I don't think neither car is prefect by any means. Moving on, I'll be more then happy to circle back to this topic when more info and comparison tests become available.

 

[RenRed2]

These are the angles I like of the Z. It's just the front dead on that pisses me off

Yes I do find angles that are good. Mostly from the side. Back and front not at all.

 

[Sub-MkV]

The Z has not been tested properly at all. Nails and coffins- thats a touch early. What will be interesting is how it fares against both. If its only marginally better than the 2.0 then what lol.

In terms of looks alone, after owning a 370Z, the new one is the epitome of Corporate boring, compromise in terms of looks and without a doubt the same mechanically. Sure it is an improvement vs the 370 but that was not something that would be hard to achieve, given the age of the 370 to begin with.

The Supra is much better looking car to me. The Z is new and much of it is not and styling wise its just already worth forgetting. Its boring overall. Rides higher and weighs more than the Supra. Its a GT as Nissan stated. This is a Z in name only. Its far from the concept of the 240 overall. In terms of mass, its a boat lol. For me the styling of it is already aged.

I wouldn't underestimate the Z pricing. Many people want a "bang for buck" and the manual. I'm fine with my Supra but it isn't a sales winner which I kind of like. It keeps it rare but I feel the Z was made for the American market/mentality of the average car guy here more than the Supra.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Looking back you also brought up 0-60 time, but ok. We're also car enthusiasts, but the for the general public the new Z will check off many boxes and at a lower price price point. In other words most people are just going daily this thing. Moving onto fit and finish have you sat in the new Z? I know I haven't, so everyone let's stop playing armchair expert. What I can tell you is the interior on their new gens are an improvement over their predecessors. Again, let's not pretend that the Supra doesn't have any issues.

I'll just end with this. I agree with the poster a few pages back. All these back and forth is getting dumb and old. We don't have all the info on the Z yet and no head to head comparison test. All we have is photos to judge looks by and even that is subjective. Also there is clearly bias on here and over there. Supramkv prefers J29 while Nissanzclub prefers Z34 2.0... shocker I know lol. As someone that doesn't own the MKV or a Z car I can say I don't think neither car is prefect by any means. Moving on, I'll be more then happy to circle back to this topic when more info and comparison tests become available.

Sure, I've brought it up, because it's part of the conversation. But not the be all, end all of it.
But, you're right. We do need more info. Comparisons, reviews, all that good stuff. But those will 99% be of the fully loaded proto or performance versions. I doubt we'll see many bare base models getting tested. Especially against competitors.
Personally, I think the Z sits in a nice hole right in between the BRZ/GT86 and the 3.0 Supra.
Ultimately the 2.0 Supra will suffer the most. Of that there's no surprise.

 

[RenRed2]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/t...2023-zs-spotted-without-camo-in-colorado.481/

Those colors do not flatter that shape much. Blue seems much better.

 

[supraboi]

Those colors do not flatter that shape much. Blue seems much better.

Right, but the blue ones were close ups. These were taken at a distance and probably with a crappy phone.

 

[Chgu]

All this hype for the manual makes me wonder if Toyota is going to undercut the Z by announcing the 2023 Supra to finally have a manual option sometime next year. I know they've been doing phone surveys lately, and asking what changes we'd like to see.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

All this hype for the manual makes me wonder if Toyota is going to undercut the Z by announcing the 2023 Supra to finally have a manual option sometime next year. I know they've been doing phone surveys lately, and asking what changes we'd like to see.

Maybe the 4 banger since the EU model does come with a manual in the lower spec Z4, but slim to none chance for the 3.0 according the BMW insider.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Maybe the 4 banger since the EU model does come with a manual in the lower spec Z4, but slim to none chance for the 3.0 according the BMW insider.

Another reason I think, is because of BMW themselves. If the 3.0 Supra was offered with a manual, that could take buyers away from the M2 manual.

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