B48 4 cylinder Supra will come to US?

Would you be interested in a 255hp B48 Supra for $40k-$45k?


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I feel like Toyota is putting its cars too close together in terms of price and performance.
My 2 cents is regardless of my lack of interest in the 4T version of Supra I’m not sure they are that “close” in performance at least the sports car line up. The hard facts are that budgets do take people’s priority and the target step ups in Toyota sports car lineup make sense to me.

Next gen 86....30k base?, 220hp?
+$13k to move to base 4T Supra
Supra 4T.........43k base? 275HP? (I just used the middle of the 260-280 hp range. I’m guessing might actually creep up to 42-44k base and I’m still curious what they will do to get “more” than 255HP?)
+$12k to move to base 6T Supra
Supra 6T.........55k base? 380HP (despite similar production costs TMNA will raise base msrp by a decent sum when 2021 released)

I mean lots of variables at play but on 5 year loan a buyers payment between 4T vs 6T is over $200 per mo difference and while some will argue that’s not big deal especially if longer terms exist the point is some just can’t afford the 6T and Toyota can capture the $40k range buyers that prefer the styling of Supra.




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:dunno: You could be a middle-aged woman if you want, I don't care.
My point is that whether I'm a middle-aged woman (which you specifically brought up for some reason or another...) or not, I'm not interested in it to style around in or to swap out the I4, I'm interested in it to drive the snot out of it at the track. With ~100 lb. less weight on the nose and $10k for mods, for me it's preferable to the I6.
 
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My point is that whether I'm a middle-aged woman (which you specifically brought up for some reason or another...) or not, I'm not interested in it to style around in or to swap out the I4, I'm interested in it to the snot out of it at the track. With ~100 lb. less weight on the nose and $10k for mods, for me it's preferable to the I6.
I'm stating my take on the marketing perspective, not your personal choices. Nothing wrong with the I4 and the weight is certainly preferable. You do you, man (or middle-aged woman).
 

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Sounds like he may be in an existential struggle of sorts...
 

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I'm more interested in a 4-cylinder version than the 6. Less weight, better weight distribution, less $$$$, still plenty of performance potential.
How do you get better weight distribution than the 50/50 the i6 has?
 

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How do you get better weight distribution than the 50/50 the i6 has?
For one thing, I-6 Supra isn't quite 50/50. For another, 50/50 isn't "perfect", for a decent power/weight rwd sports car you really want some rear weight bias.
 

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I'm stating my take on the marketing perspective, not your personal choices. Nothing wrong with the I4 and the weight is certainly preferable. You do you, man (or middle-aged woman).
I hope Toyota marketing appreciates that there are plenty of trackhounds who are interested in the I4 Supra in the U.S.,
 

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For one thing, I-6 Supra isn't quite 50/50. For another, 50/50 isn't "perfect", for a decent power/weight rwd sports car you really want some rear weight bias.
Yeah ok lol! You want rear weight bias so the front goes light, it understeers, and when the rear does come around, it's so heavy that it just keeps going.

50/50 is perfect weight distribution. That's why it's always highlighted. A neutral car is a fast car.
 

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Yeah ok lol! You want rear weight bias so the front goes light, it understeers, and when the rear does come around, it's so heavy that it just keeps going.
50/50 is perfect weight distribution. That's why it's always highlighted. A neutral car is a fast car.
You can have a neutral FF car with 60F/40R weight distribution, and you can have a neutral RR car with 40F/60R weight distribution. Handling balance is not fixed by weight distribution... The ancient 911s that exhibited understeer until you gave a mid-corner lift at which point they oversteered off the road behaved that way because of suspension deficiencies and not due to weight distribution.

FWIW I drove my ~55/45 BRZ and my ~45/55 Cayman back to back at a few track events this year, and I can assure you that the Cayman both understeered less at corner entry and put its (modest) power down better at corner exit while being every bit as driftable as the BRZ. Both have minor suspension mods for front camber (-3.2 BRZ, -2.9 Cayman) and slightly stiffer and lower springs

50/50 is marketing for the masses who don't know better. It's also a mark that is achievable for a mass-market FR car, so when manufacturers hit it, they like brag about it, even to the point of calling it "perfect", which it isn't... For sure 50/50 for a rwd performance car is *way* better than 55F/45R. But 45F/55R is better still. For serious power/weight rwd cars, even more rear bias is better. Primarily better for putting power down accelerating out of corners (as well as in a straight line from lower speeds), but there are other benefits including better braking due to rear tires being able to contribute a lot more.

There's a reason megaperforming rwd cars are not 50/50...
 

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You can have a neutral FF car with 60F/40R weight distribution, and you can have a neutral RR car with 40F/60R weight distribution. Handling balance is not fixed by weight distribution... The ancient 911s that exhibited understeer until you gave a mid-corner lift at which point they oversteered off the road behaved that way because of suspension deficiencies and not due to weight distribution.

FWIW I drove my ~55/45 BRZ and my ~45/55 Cayman back to back at a few track events this year, and I can assure you that the Cayman both understeered less at corner entry and put its (modest) power down better at corner exit while being every bit as driftable as the BRZ. Both have minor suspension mods for front camber (-3.2 BRZ, -2.9 Cayman) and slightly stiffer and lower springs

50/50 is marketing for the masses who don't know better. It's also a mark that is achievable for a mass-market FR car, so when manufacturers hit it, they like brag about it, even to the point of calling it "perfect", which it isn't... For sure 50/50 for a rwd performance car is *way* better than 55F/45R. But 45F/55R is better still. For serious power/weight rwd cars, even more rear bias is better. Primarily better for putting power down accelerating out of corners (as well as in a straight line from lower speeds), but there are other benefits including better braking due to rear tires being able to contribute a lot more.

There's a reason megaperforming rwd cars are not 50/50...
I agree, but my GT4 definitely had some understeer, more than the Supra.
 

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