U.S.-Market Toyota Supra Four-Cylinder Officially Announced

[Dannyvandelft]

The laptimes on this are actually interesting.
Supra 2021 3.0: 1:03:43
Supra 2.0: 1:05:35 -----------> 1.92s slower than 3.0
86 TRD: 1:08:51---------------> 3.16s slower than 2.0, 5.0s slower than 3.0

Yes, the track is short and technical, big power does not dominate, the handling and balance are more important. So despite having around 180-200hp less at the crank (since 21' dyno around 382 at the wheels which gives around 450hp at the crank), not having adaptive suspension (so no stiffer setting for the track), having no e-diff and smaller non-Brembo brakes the gap is not even 2seconds. Just changing the tires to sth like M CUP2 will give a time withing tenths of 3.0 upgreaded model, ofc on a small technical track. Yea, of coourse we can put them on 3.0 and the gap will again be wider, but just a thought how to narrow it in a simple way.
Yes, on small track is not "small" difference, and higher speed track would wider it further, but I think the 2.0 did really well actually having much less power and less "features".. The 86 TRD got upgreaded Sachs dampers with springs, Brembo brakes and Pilot Sport 4 tires and yet the gap is almost 3.2s compared to 2.0 but that is actually quite big already. And in my opinion 86 esp with TRD handling goodies is better balanced and sharper than Supra.
I expected 2.0 to be at least 3s slower, and its not. Its almost as fast as Bullit Mustang and the power difference is also huge there.
I'm kinda impressed, with a bit of suspension tuning and some power mods the 2.0 with its ligher weight seems quite promising.

Yeah all that, and then consider the track is ONLY a minute long. Now go drive a proper 2+ minute track. The difference to the 2.0 will be 5 seconds plus, and 10 seconds plus for the 86. That's huge! Now go to the Nordschleife where the 3.0 does an 8 minute lap. The 2.0 will be roughly 40 seconds or more slower. See where I'm getting at? It's relative to the time on track.

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[Islindur]

Yeah all that, and then consider the track is ONLY a minute long. Now go drive a proper 2+ minute track. The difference to the 2.0 will be 5 seconds plus, and 10 seconds plus for the 86. That's huge! Now go to the Nordschleife where the 3.0 does an 8 minute lap. The 2.0 will be roughly 40 seconds or more slower. See where I'm getting at? It's relative to the time on track.

Ofc, U are right, I do track so its nothing new to me. Point is, my local track is just like this one, 1:04 in my 86 on CUP2's, so its very relevant to me. And I went down from 1:06 to 04 by just changing tires to proper semi slicks leaving other things unchanged. I'm very curious where 2.0 will land on other faster tracks, I just expected it to be even slower compared to 2021 3.0 having less performance equipment. I'm just personally quite impressed, it may land higher in terms of lap times than I expected, because of its great handling and the good chasis as a whole. Ofc its not a 3.0 model and it shouldnt be, its visibly cheaper.

You cant do NRign times like that. Using Your calcualation (3.0 is 7:52 for now) 2.0 Should be around 8:40 on Ring but.... 86 did 8:44 and there is NO WAY 2.0 will be close to that with its power advantage, more like 8:2x or even less.
BTW I think they should take 2021 model and do proper 7:3x time just for show

 

[CSUfiend]

I didn’t see this anywhere, so I thought I’d post it

2021 Supra 2.0 Quarter mile and 0-60 times inadvertently revealed by C/D in a review for the RAV4 Prime

The Prime blasts to 60 mph in just 5.4 seconds and crosses the quarter-mile in 14.0 seconds at 100 mph. Yes, the Supra with its standard 255-hp turbo 2.0-liter four is still quicker—4.7 seconds to 60 mph and 13.3 at 104 mph in the quarter-mile—but the Prime does beat it from five to 60 mph, 30 to 50 mph, and from 50 to 70 mph.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33028735/2021-toyota-rav4-prime-xse-by-the-numbers/

That’s pretty good for a 4cyl. Certainly a stark contrast from what the “experts” were saying as they trashed the 2.0 and claimed that it was anemic

 

[puzzled]

This reminds of the time when the LS400 came out stating it was faster than a Porsche Boxster.

 

[CSUfiend]

^I believe you meant the GS400 in the late 90’s. I had that car, and it was certainly a beast for its day back when the Lexus brand had a competitive spirit. Was also faster in a straight line than a handful of other respectable cars

 

[Islindur]

I didn’t see this anywhere, so I thought I’d post it

2021 Supra 2.0 Quarter mile and 0-60 times inadvertently revealed by C/D in a review for the RAV4 Prime


https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33028735/2021-toyota-rav4-prime-xse-by-the-numbers/

That’s pretty good for a 4cyl. Certainly a stark contrast from what the “experts” were saying as they trashed the 2.0 and claimed that it was anemic

That is actually pretty solid for only 258hp. This tunned to around 320, which
will be super easy, will do low-mid 4's to 60 and 12.x on 1/4.
Wonder what times will it achieve on tracks.

 

[puzzled]

^I believe you meant the GS400 in the late 90’s. I had that car, and it was certainly a beast for its day back when the Lexus brand had a competitive spirit. Was also faster in a straight line than a handful of other respectable cars

It was the 2nd gen LS400. It was a Lexus commercial.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/1998-lexus-ls-400/

 

[CSUfiend]

Oh I see! Thanks for posting that, I had no idea, but I do know that they did advertise the GS400 as being quicker than the Boxter. I’m not too sure about that one, especially when we’re talking about tenths of a second here, as GS400 always clocked in ~0.5 quicker than LS400

 

[KahnBB6]

Doesn’t it come with an open differential though? It is known that there is no Active-M LSD on the 2.0L but do we know for certain either way that it comes with a regular mechanical LSD or open diff?

 

[Islindur]

Doesn’t it come with an open differential though? It is known that there is no Active-M LSD on the 2.0L but do we know for certain either way that it comes with a regular mechanical LSD or open diff?

EU ver. got open as standard. I confirmed it. In that configuration car weights 1395kg (less than base PDK 718). I assume USA base is same as here (no seats, e diff, dampers, smaller brakes), so it should have none too. Also, the 2.0 got no engine oil cooler but got transmission oil cooler only. Dealer said so to me, may not be 100% accurate.

There is buyable "performance pack" with e-diff like 3.0 too. Ofc weight goes to around 1450-70kg that way.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

^I believe you meant the GS400 in the late 90’s. I had that car, and it was certainly a beast for its day back when the Lexus brand had a competitive spirit. Was also faster in a straight line than a handful of other respectable cars

After all, the GS400 was the car that started the horsepower wars.

 

[CSUfiend]

After all, the GS400 was the car that started the horsepower wars.

Indeed. How dare the Japanese make a car that was faster than our fastest versions of the 5 series and E class!

I wish Toyota would have the balls again to put out a car that would shake the Germans to their core again. They have the cash reserves that are the envy of all, but not the balls though

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Indeed. How dare the Japanese make a car that was faster than our fastest versions of the 5 series and E class!

I wish Toyota would have the balls again to put out a car that would shake the Germans to their core again. They have the cash reserves that are the envy of all, but not the balls though

Preach.

 

[Captain_Kirk]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33636925/2021-toyota-supra-20-by-the-numbers/

Tested: 2021 Toyota Supra 2.0 Brings Performance and Value

2021 Toyota Supra 2.0

VEHICLE TYPE
front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 2-passenger, 2-door hatchback

PRICE AS TESTED
$47,430 (base price: $43,945)

ENGINE TYPE
turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, direct fuel injection
Displacement
122 in3, 1998 cm3
Power
255 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque
295 lb-ft @ 1550 rpm

TRANSMISSION
8-speed automatic

CHASSIS
Suspension (F/R): strut/multilink
Brakes (F/R): 13.0-in vented disc/13.0-in vented disc
Tires: Michelin Pilot Super Sport, F: 255/40ZR-18 (95Y) ★ R: 275/40ZR-18 (99y) ★

DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 97.2 in
Length: 172.5 in
Width: 73.0 in
Height: 51.1 in
Passenger volume: 51 ft3
Cargo volume: 10 ft3
Curb weight: 3179 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.7 sec
100 mph: 12.1 sec
130 mph: 18.8 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.8 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.2 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.6 sec
1/4 mile: 13.3 sec @ 104 mph
Top speed (C/D est): 155 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 151 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 302 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.02 g
Standing-start accel times omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.

EPA FUEL ECONOMY (C/D EST)
Combined/city/highway: 27/24/32 mpg

 

[supraboi]

I'm interested in see how this will compared with the upcoming GR86.

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