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Discussion in 'B48 4-Cyl Engine, Exhaust, Drivetrain, Bolt-Ons' started by 910ps, Feb 8, 2014.
Were the NA (aka base model) MK3/4s called Celicas?
Nope. They were all in I6 guise. “I6 = Supra”. Celicas were 4 bangers.
My point is that numbers of cylinders are irrelevant to this conversation since MK3/4s as well as the MK5 each have a 'base' model. The difference here being that BMW no longer has an NA I6
They could easily do a $60K I6 Supra, a $40K 4cyl Celica (basically a base supra with different front and rear panels like the old days MKI and MKII) and then a $25-$30K hot hatch.
I get your point. I would prefer it this way: Toyota would use BMW’s turbo I6 with lower power output for the base trim, and a more powerful version for the upper trim level/s.
Just like the Porsche 911(991.2 onwards) nowadays. Carrera and Carrera S share the same engine, while the latter being the more powerful version.
Besides, Toyota collaborated with BMW because of the I6, which is the heart & soul of Supra.
Going that route would be an option, but it wouldn't put a large enough dent in the price point (4 cyl is rumored to be 1/3 less in line with Z4 pricing.) The 991.2 is in a different price league and doesn't have a comparable sibling. So in their case a 15%-20% price difference is possible.
1/3 less is compared with the I6 or I4?
60k-40k = 20k -> 20k/60k -> 1/3 less
If this will turn out to be true, then it would sound like Toyota wants to sell more I4 than I6 Supra. Isn’t it?
But initially, only the I6 will be sold. It would take quite some time before they release the 4-cylinder version.
If only Toyota partnered with BMW for the I4, then I’d go I4. One way I’d go I4 is if it’s really good(somewhat, somehow as good as the I6). Have to wait and read reviews. Can’t wait for January 14! Only a few more days to go!
If the 4-cylinder will be the only variant that will be offered with manual, then WoW!
If Toyota could offer the type of transmission previewed with the Toyota GR HV Sports Concept, it’s also good,
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No, the logical natural progression, considering that what they are finally delivering to us is a car with essentially the exact same size, wheel base and suspension design as the 86, would have been to do a 2nd gen of the 86 with Subaru and give us an 86 variant and a Supra variant off the same platform, and stick their new TT V6 in it for the Supra. That would have been the logical, quickest and most economical thing to do, not to mention keep all the Toyota purists happy. Despite what Toyota claims about these Supra purists they supposedly talked to, the general consensus on this forum from people who have actually owned Toyotas before is that they would have preferred a turbo Toyota V6 under the hood to a BMW inline 6. Instead they partnered with their own luxery brand's biggest nemesis, took 7 long painful years of development, and are giving us a 100% BMW that is a step back from the car its succeeding in most ways, and its going to cost at least 20% more then it should.
But hey, at least we are getting a new Supra lol.
Hey, could be worse.
The Mitsubishi eclipse fanboys got a god damn SUV ( Stupid useless vehicle )
Ladies and gentlemen! This is the new Supra. It's got a 2.5L diesel engine 7 seats, AWD and can drive through 70 millimetres deep lakes
@SupraFiend, I totally understand your rant and get where you're coming from.
All I'm saying is that there's no information from any of our reliable insiders that a second gen 86 is being worked on. If it's going to be a 2020-2021 car then development should be well underway.
It would be a lot more cost effective to swap a few body panels on a 4cyl "Supra", crash test it, and release it as a Celica as opposed to doing a second generation of the 86.
Sure, if it was made in Japan or Asia. But I don't think there is anyway to get that BMW platform down less then $35k with any engine under the hood. Maybe if they shipped it without an interior lol.
Oh no the Celica would definitely be in the $40 K range. The yaris hot hatch would have to slot into that sub $35K price bracket. Performance Pack and special edition 86/BRZ are already low to mid 30K so 40K for a factory turbo with 65-80 more HP doesn't seem like too much of a stretch for current owners.