FEMTO OBD Flasher - Femtool | Is this the evolution of tuning 21+ MKV Supras?

[32bitsofGil]

Just been introduced to the Supra life in the last few weeks I've been digging in finding out as much as I can regarding the ECU lockdown.

Seems that everyone is crazy about shipping their ECUs to Russia just for a clone/unlock. I did some looking into the company Femto that has been doing these unlocks, and they are advertising this OBD flashing solution.
I'm so curious about it I just had to post here, have a look at this link:

https://femtool.com/femto

Clearly they are on their way to the Supra next. Does this mean we're on the cusp of getting stock 21+ ECU flashed with Femto in our own homes? Has anyone been brave enough to buy a license? Surely it's not just me and my monkey brain who has found this out. Looking to hear from the veterans.
Very much wondering how this proprietary tuning solution will work, and what kind of power/features we will see come out of it (will it best Ecutek until a public exploit is available for the Bosch ECUs?).


Also any tuning shops need a test monkey? Looking at you @ppe @Jesse DaBears


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[32bitsofGil]

Let's save you some time here:

Even with the Femto OBD flasher, you WILL need to have your ECU unlocked locally in Russia (for 6/20+ ECUs). Please see this link if you are confused:
https://willmy062020plusecugotorussia.com/

If you have experience with tuning (or being tuned) with the Femto OBD flasher, please chime in below. This thread should be confined to discussion around the tuning portion, not the "Russia unlock."

 

[NitroYellowMKV]

I don't understand much of how any of this works but have been thinking the same thing, very curious to see where this all goes and when people will figure out how to do the OBD unlock at home, and flash any software on to the 21+ BOSCH ecu's. From now I will happily enjoy my time with my early 2020 car LOL

 

[zrk]

I uh..

What?

Femto is the company in Russia that everyone is using to unlock the ECU. Jesse's most recent offering will still leverage Femto.

https://willmy062020plusecugotorussia.com/

Please read all of the available information available in the other threads (of which there are many) so you can get the most accurate/up-to-date information there is.

 

[32bitsofGil]

I hate responding like this, but I hate split conversations even more.
In this subforum alone, there are tons of 06/20 femto threads... Yours could easily go under any of those... even Jess has a thread..

Sorry for opening a new thread, but I felt it necessary as all the threads I have been monitoring do not directly talk about this topic. If admins feel it is redundant, I welcome taking it down.

All the other threads, including Jesse are just vaguely referring to what I think is this exact topic. I understand why, wouldn't want to just hand over my business plans either. Curious if this is they solution Jesse and others have alluded to.

 

[32bitsofGil]

I uh..

What?

Femto is the company in Russia that everyone is using to unlock the ECU. Jesse's most recent offering will still leverage Femto.

https://willmy062020plusecugotorussia.com/

Please read all of the available information available in the other threads (of which there are many) so you can get the most accurate/up-to-date information there is.

I feel like I have read all the available threads down to the last post, and no one directly addresses this OBD flashing tool advertised by Femto. I have seen Jesse and others make references, but hard to tell if they are speaking diretly about this OBD flash, or FemTool which seems to me more of a bench flash.

 

[zrk]

I feel like I have read all the available threads down to the last post, and no one directly addresses this OBD flashing tool advertised by Femto. I have seen Jesse and others make references, but hard to tell if they are speaking diretly about this OBD flash, or FemTool which seems to me more of a bench flash.

There are a couple ways you can flash to the ECU, but it still requires an unlock, which requires it going to russia, which is the main takeaway. It doesn't appear that they are going to change that any time soon.

 

[32bitsofGil]

To be very specific, this thread I am looking to discuss the Femto OBD flashing tool, not the Russia cloning process everyone else is talking about.

Seems to me with this tool we should be able to flash our original ECU at home, but I am looking to gain other opinions and experience. Maybe I will contact Femto myself and see if I can purchase a license.

 

[32bitsofGil]

There are a couple ways you can flash to the ECU, but it still requires an unlock, which requires it going to russia, which is the main takeaway. It doesn't appear that they are going to change that any time soon.

If this is the case, then even with the OBD flashing tool from Femto, I would still have to first ship my ECU to Russia for the unlock?


Again, apologies if this thread is just the confused rambles of my monkey brain, and if it winds up being redundant enough I'm happy to take it down. I thought I had a good understanding of the current process, but I suppose not. If this tool can't actually unlock the ECU, but only allows for flashing, then is it really anything to talk about? Would seem that it would be much better to go with a known solution like Ecutek.

 

[zrk]

To be very specific, this thread I am looking to discuss the Femto OBD flashing tool, not the Russia cloning process everyone else is talking about.

Seems to me with this tool we should be able to flash our original ECU at home, but I am looking to gain other opinions and experience. Maybe I will contact Femto myself and see if I can purchase a license.

I'm not talking about cloning, I'm talking about unlocking. Femto is the only company that can currently unlock the ECU, which is -not- cloning. They can unlock the mapping tables only.

After they unlock that area, you can flash with Femto OBD Flasher or WinOLS.

They unlock that area of memory in Russia.

 

[zrk]

If this is the case, then even with the OBD flashing tool from Femto, I would still have to first ship my ECU to Russia for the unlock?

Yes. Let's back up a bit.

There are currently two forms of flash tuning the 06/2020+ ECUs. One is cloning the ECU. This is done by coping the Calibration information from the ECU to a not-hardware locked ECU. This gets you the whole nine.

The second is more of a standard unlock, though again, Femto is the only player in the game. This allows you write to the area of memory that holds the mapping tables only, that I've outlined in a different post.

If you want to change the factory ECU, at all. Tune a 06.2020 ECU in -any- way. It goes to Russia.

 

[32bitsofGil]

Yes. Let's back up a bit.

There are currently two forms of flash tuning the 06/2020+ ECUs. One is cloning the ECU. This is done by coping the Calibration information from the ECU to a not-hardware locked ECU. This gets you the whole nine.

The second is more of a standard unlock, though again, Femto is the only player in the game. This allows you write to the area of memory that holds the mapping tables only, that I've outlined in a different post.

If you want to change the factory ECU, at all. Tune a 06.2020 ECU in -any- way. It goes to Russia.

I appreciate the clarity, and understand why you might be miffed at ANOTHER thread popping up around the topic. I'm sure you can understand it's all quite confusing. I also love the little webpage you put together. Been following your posts for a while and you're quite the helpful chap.


In the interest of not further clouding the conversation, I'd like to remain on the topic of the OBD flasher from Femto, I'd love to hear from tuners, or customers of their experience with the flasher. Curious how it stacks up as a tuning tool against the big boys like BM3, Ecutek, ETC.

 

[32bitsofGil]

I suppose for the time being, I'll be getting a JB4. I'm sure we will see a domestic option and more public exploits in the near future.

 

[VA90]

I suppose for the time being, I'll be getting a JB4. I'm sure we will see a domestic option and more public exploits in the near future.

FWIW, I think that makes a lot of sense. For the person that has a downpipe and maybe not much else, I am not sure what the tune is going to do over and above the JB4. To access performance beyond 450-500 whp, I think you have to look at a turbo upgrade. I don't think the tune, by itself, is going to unlock some new level of performance. But yes, there is a lot of discussion on this topic into which this could be consolidated.

 

[32bitsofGil]

FWIW, I think that makes a lot of sense. For the person that has a downpipe and maybe not much else, I am not sure what the tune is going to do over and above the JB4. To access performance beyond 450-500 whp, I think you have to look at a turbo upgrade. I don't think the tune, by itself, is going to unlock some new level of performance. But yes, there is a lot of discussion on this topic into which this could be consolidated.

Thanks for your input, yeah I will be searching for a JB4+downpipe+CAI combo on my car. I don't know if I'm comfortable with the idea of going much further. Might add in a flexfuel kit, but only once I can actually tune the damn thing, and understand more about it (obvious noob)
Also it's my understanding the transmission isn't going to take more than 500TQ without being built, not that I think I will push past that. I'm more looking for on the fly adjustments (control over those nasty pops and bangs), and the ability to silence CEL coming from the removed cat.


As for the redundant discussion, apologies. I'll leave this thread up so others can chime in specifically if they have experience with the OBD flasher from Femto, I understand the unlock will require the Russia shipment.

I just wanna hear from anyone that has actually used Femto for tuning as opposed to Ecutek, BM3, ETC. I'll update my reserved post with the info so as to stem the flow of any erroneous conversation, and better inform new drivers like myself about the topic at hand.

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