From a Z Nismo 2024 to GR Supra..!?

[Crownleyian]

Hi Guys,

I currently own a Nissan Z Nismo (RZ34) and I'm contemplating if I made the right decision or maybe I should've gone for a GR Supra, that's where I need your help...

So just a simple background check this is my first RWD car so the main issue I'm about to reference could be driver error, I do have extensive simulator driving in iRacing so I'm no stranger to RWD characteristics. I have come from FWD cars like the Renault Megane RS265 and a AWD GR Yaris, also done lots track days. My main issue with the Z Nismo at this stage has been these unforeseen understeer situations that I'm simply not use too, this could be me coming into too hot, too much trail braking, not enough heat in the Dunlop GT600 or simply the front end of the Nissan Z Nismo is too heavy.

So before I continue unfortunately a test drive where I'm located is hard at the moment to get. So how does the GR Supra behave in tight twisty corners especially going down hill ? Does it tend to understeer? Does it understeer in tighter corners in general?
Does the front end of the GR Supra feel locked in and pointy, to the point you can rely on the front end to lock in and rotate the car with a little throttle input, is probably what I'm aiming to understand.

So what I'm asking is if for input of drivers that have experienced both cars at their limits, I will be tracking the Nissan Z Nismo (eventually) or GR Supra eventually, please don't brand bash as that's not what I'm after, we all know benefits of each brand in terms of reliability, so keep it civil lads! Yes I like the look of both, I'm not fussed at all in that department.

Thanks!

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[TBK]

Does your Z have any suspension/alignment work done? Little light on the details there my friend

 

[Crownleyian]

Does your Z have any suspension/alignment work done? Little light on the details there my friend

Car is entirely stock no mods at all.

 

[Deathfly7]

If you have a NISMO ... I doubt you will notice a difference on the track .... literally at all. Not enough to to take that financial hit anyway.

The supra doesn't understeer tho, it is 50/50 weight distro , if anything it might oversteer a bit on power. .... if tracking is your goal, just be happy with your car you have and go to an actual level UP like a Z06 or GT4 RS etc, save that money bruh

 

[razorlab]

If you have a NISMO ... I doubt you will notice a difference on the track .... literally at all. Not enough to to take that financial hit anyway.

The supra doesn't understeer tho, it is 50/50 weight distro , if anything it might oversteer a bit on power. .... if tracking is your goal, just be happy with your car you have and go to an actual level UP like a Z06 or GT4 RS etc, save that money bruh

Supra in stock form understeers, like almost every modern car from the factory.

 

[exe36m3]

Alignment. When people don't like how a sports car handles, alignment.

Compared to buying another car, a good alignment shop will listen to how you want your car to drive. It's a cheap effort to get the handling you want.

For me, the stock Supra is WAY too tail happy. So I had a chat with my shop and ran slight toe-in front (stability higher speeds) and max toe-in rear (planted rear). I feel much more confident bombing freeway off ramps than stock setting.

 

[FLtrackdays]

As far as RWD vs FWD on track, RWD is better, imo. I’ve driven both hard on tracks.

This Supra is more fun on track than I anticipated. Like any car, go slow with the mods and learn to drive them well 1st. Then you can make some changes to get er dialed in, how you want/prefer it to handle. If tracking is what you want to do, I don’t think you’ll be disappointed with the Supra.

 

[Crownleyian]

Thanks guys for all your inputs really appreciate you taking the time!

 

[Funkjaw]

Give this video a watch if you haven't already:



They make points about the Supra that frankly I completely agree with: the rear end stability is absolute garbage in stock form.

Does it understeer? Sure does! BUT, it will also oversteer when you don't expect it too. OR, it might do a bit of both cuz fuck you. It has a very unsettling, unnatural feeling in stock form when driven at the limits.

To specifically answer your question:
"So how does the GR Supra behave in tight twisty corners especially going down hill ? ..." It will lift-off oversteer on tight corners. This I know because the day I bought my car I took it on some back roads and drove the shit out of it like the crazy guy I am.

Anyways these are just my very subjective thoughts from a RWD aficionado. Hopefully it's helpful

 

[FLtrackdays]

Does it understeer? Sure does! BUT, it will also oversteer when don't expect it too. OR, it might do a bit of both cuz fuck you. It has a very unsettling, unnatural feeling in stock form when driven at the limits.

To specifically answer your question:
"So how does the GR Supra behave in tight twisty corners especially going down hill ? ..." It will lift-off oversteer on tight corners. This I know because the day I bought my car I took it on some back roads and drove the shit out of it like the crazy guy I am.

Anyways these are just my very subjective thoughts from a RWD aficionado. Hopefully it's helpful

Good points. It’s all subjective & why a good alignment is so necessary if tracking any car. Or illegal neighbor terror watches in your case ?. These cars handle well, don’t do anything unexpected, or that can’t be dialed out. I prefer some toe out up front (in on the back) but I’m mainly driving on track. If I did a lot of highway cruising, it’d probably bother me that she wandering around. It’s all relative.

 

[jmikes]

You have to really compare both cars in person and in videos to determine which one you would enjoy more. It's not so much about which one is better on the track, or which one has more potential. It's about which one makes you smile more.

If smiling and happiness is a matter of being faster and more confident at the track, then ultimately the Supra is the superior track car. It's lighter, has 50/50 weight distribution, has a superior (and easily tunable) transmission, and has more potential than the Z through modding.

 

[razorlab]

I have mine setup to be very forgiving, even with 600whp+. I have to do something pretty dumb for the rear to get out of shape. Toe-in makes a big difference. It’s actually one of the most forgiving track cars I have owned so far.

Bone stock without touching alignment it wanted to kill me any chance it had. 2020 as well so the rear was extra spicy.

 

[bk5]

So before I continue unfortunately a test drive where I'm located is hard at the moment to get. So how does the GR Supra behave in tight twisty corners especially going down hill ? Does it tend to understeer? Does it understeer in tighter corners in general?

It does understeer, but you have to be going so fucking fast to make it happen (or it has to be damp out). It's genuinely not a concern on the street for me. I'll regularly rocket around twisty roads pulling 0.9+gs without losing traction. And I'm still on the stock, relatively crappy Pilot Super Sports.

I always have to focus on keeping the rear end from stepping out.

As others have said, alignment is key. The Z might need some front camber plates for track use. Zs are fun cars, but they've never been a track ready car. That's the sacrifice of building to a low price point.

 

[puzzled]

I had a 370Z back in the day bought new, MT, etc.. honestly it was a POS.. drove like a sports sedan and interior quality was nothing short of a Sentra.. Throttle response sucked, slow as hell on a hot day, VQ sounded like shit. My G35Coupe was so much better.

GR Supra is basically the same size as the 370Z, but with much better visibility (no dumbo mirrors), 100x nicer interior, and tons more power and tunability, modern electronics.

NIssan as a company is an embarrassment where its heading too.. dump the NismoZ, get a real sports car.

 

[rottmore]

I'll chime in with "Go Fast Parts". haveing to drop the entire motor just to upgrade the turbos... Yeeaaaaaa, no thanks. On top of that seems like you're limited on space so you're stuck to buying from hybrid companies (Goodluck with the QC on those) So Unless your friend has 4 post or you have an engine lift at home, you're pretty much dependent on a shop to do the work = more money out of your pocket. Could you imagine if something goes wrong with one of those hybrids? Dropping the entire motor AGAIN would piss me off. Meanwhile, the Supra with bolt-ons is on easy mode. So much more DIY friendly and easy to work with. Just a catless pipe and a tune with no ethanol and you're knocking at the door of 500. Just imagine a hybrid, water/meth, intake manifold, LPFP, port injection, and or (DI&HPFP) etc... All can be done over the weekend with friends, beers and jack stands.

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