MotorTrend long term test verdict

[darkknight302]

I’m a little confused because my warranty was 36k miles or 3 years. What are they talking about that 2years or 24k miles bs

They're talking about the maintenance plan in which BMW has 3 years vs 2 years for Toyota.

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[MA617M]

The reason the wind buffering is a feature will be emissions and aerodynamics. The car, with windows up, will be slippery enough to meet a certain emissions specification, and as such, fixing the buffeting would likely compromise that.

Hence why it's prevalent on so many sports cars these days - they're just scraping into the specification limits.

 

[White Shadow]

The reason the wind buffering is a feature will be emissions and aerodynamics. The car, with windows up, will be slippery enough to meet a certain emissions specification, and as such, fixing the buffeting would likely compromise that.

Hence why it's prevalent on so many sports cars these days - they're just scraping into the specification limits.

That's a joke, right? I mean, you can't possibly be serious...

 

[O Haiii]

That's a joke, right? I mean, you can't possibly be serious...

Im pretty sure he's joking

 

[saik]

"Since its 2020 model-year introduction, the GR Supra 3.0 has gained 14 horsepower, up to 382 from the 368 in 2020 models like our car. "

Wait... what 2020 model had "368hp?"

 

[DSG Performance]

After having had the chance to drive many cars in many different categories (stock to massive builds), the Supra has been the most fun/fav car we've ever had here. I drive it most of the summer and daily (even modded as is). All the stupid little problems, you find those on all cars even much higher end cars (Porsche has a notable wind buffeting problem for several years).

As a bang for buck daily driver, with or without the right mods, it's really my top car. And I love the AT transmission

 

[puzzled]

That's a joke, right? I mean, you can't possibly be serious...

Are you talking about someone's face?

 

[puzzled]

All the negatives they mentioned doesn't bother be one bit outside of the wind buffeting but I spent $10 to fix the only issue I had.

Agreed.. they say "However, this first-year 2020 GR Supra 3.0 Premium had too many small faults that added up to us not loving it as much as we wanted to."

What problems? I have no issue with mine.. WTF are they talking about?

 

[Bufger]

This car is built for adventure.
If you can fit a phone, wallet, condoms and a toothbrush you're good to go!

 

[Schang105]

After having had the chance to drive many cars in many different categories (stock to massive builds), the Supra has been the most fun/fav car we've ever had here. I drive it most of the summer and daily (even modded as is). All the stupid little problems, you find those on all cars even much higher end cars (Porsche has a notable wind buffeting problem for several years).

As a bang for buck daily driver, with or without the right mods, it's really my top car. And I love the AT transmission

This. I keep coming back to how objectively amazing it is. The BMW collaboration, though polarizing, was the right call. I'm confident in 20 years when EV cars make 1000 bhp standard people will realize how special a moment in time this car was, much like the Mark IV before. History repeats itself.

 

[sirupytugboat]

Im pretty sure he's joking

I always thought this was a very plausible explanation. The reasons are two-fold:

First, it seems like the buffeting fix does impact the movement of air around the car. After all, it affects air enough to change the turbulence of air inside the cabin with the windows down. So it makes sense that it also affects movement of air around the car even with the windows up.

Second, the buffeting issue is one of the most talked about complaints with the car. Almost all of the reviews I've watched or read mention it. So Toyota definitely knows about it. Yet 3 model years later they've done nothing to address it. Do they just not care? I find that unlikely. Look at all the things they've changed over the years: engine parts, chassis bracing, suspension components, etc. They've changed stuff way bigger than two pieces of exterior plastic. So why not fix this? It would make sense that they haven't fixed it because they can't. And they can't because fixing it impacts something they are not allowed or don't want to impact, like, say, performance, or fuel efficiency.

Of course I'm just a layman and this is just a guess, so correct me if this is total nonsense.

 

[ta70raiii]

I stopped by Subway today, and easily fit 17 foot long subs in the trunk. Some of them even had double meat. I used the wind buffeting feature to help remove the sandwich stench.

 

[underdonk]

I always thought this was a very plausible explanation. The reasons are two-fold:

First, it seems like the buffeting fix does impact the movement of air around the car. After all, it affects air enough to change the turbulence of air inside the cabin with the windows down. So it makes sense that it also affects movement of air around the car even with the windows up.

Second, the buffeting issue is one of the most talked about complaints with the car. Almost all of the reviews I've watched or read mention it. So Toyota definitely knows about it. Yet 3 model years later they've done nothing to address it. Do they just not care? I find that unlikely. Look at all the things they've changed over the years: engine parts, chassis bracing, suspension components, etc. They've changed stuff way bigger than two pieces of exterior plastic. So why not fix this? It would make sense that they haven't fixed it because they can't. And they can't because fixing it impacts something they are not allowed or don't want to impact, like, say, performance, or fuel efficiency.

Of course I'm just a layman and this is just a guess, so correct me if this is total nonsense.

I think the only truly economical, sensible, and objective option to answer this question is for @zrk to do some runs with and without the wind buffeting things on to see if it impacts performance at the strip.

 

[zrk]

I think the only truly economical, sensible, and objective option to answer this question is for @zrk to do some runs with and without the wind buffeting things on to see if it impacts performance at the strip.

I'll do that, it won't make a difference. lol.

 

[jchadwell]

After having had the chance to drive many cars in many different categories (stock to massive builds), the Supra has been the most fun/fav car we've ever

I'll do that, it won't make a difference. lol.

The factory a 91 spoiler and additional lip and side trim pieces on the carbon editions impact aerodynamics a hell of a lot more than little plastic pieces on the mirrors. I doubt Toyota (or Porsche for that matter) would find it acceptable to just use an add on piece with tape. The factory solution would likely be a completely redesigned mirror assembly. The better question is why not do that from the beginning? Were the prototypes not allowed to be driven windows down? Same questions can be asked of Porsche and others. Many two seaters suffer from buffeting. Has to be something we’re missing.

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