Production Toyota Supra will be revealed in the first half of 2019 at Detroit!

[jdcalve]

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[Vaevictum]

Mediterranean > Lemans & Laguna Seca

That is a sweet color, isn't it? Dare I say it's slicker than an oil spill.

 

[Australian of The North]

I posted this in the wrong thread - better off here:


More bad news if accurate:

Most articles are suggesting its still nearly a A YEAR AND A HALF away from reveal, let alone production....
Example: http://www.thedrive.com/news/19049/production-toyota-supra-confirmed-to-get-early-2019-reveal

The eagle eyed among you will have spotted the worst part - the official response from Toyota GB which says:

"We think hearing that the road Supra will be revealed in the first half of next year might be of interest!
— ToyotaGB (@ToyotaGB) March 6, 2018"

ughhhhhh

• "Half" means Quarter 2....
• which inevitably means DEBUT June 2019 ...
• ..... does that mean production 2020???

This is very confusing and frustrating - because if true, it means the revealed race car in Geneva wont be able to compete (in most classes) until 2020 - when sufficient numbers have been manufactured to qualify for entry into the GT classes for example.

So what the hell is Toyota going to do with a race car it likely cant race? Park it in a garage for 18+ months? write it off in the next FnF movie? play GT7 & GT8 when they are released before this thing is? what the hell good is releasing a road car's alter-ego race-version 18 months early?

It strongly suggests the road car is still in the first stages of R&D,

it also says to me that thing we saw in Geneva was a plastic fantastic/wooden mock up. hence no engine shots, and no stats of virtually any kind. It makes me think - Has Toyota themselves even figured that out yet? Perhaps they don't even know what engine they want in it..... are they just doing a trump and making total BS up as they go along?


BUT - wiping out & massively contradicting the above - is the fact that we have spy shots of the new supra - its very real and running around the ring. We have all seen it. Its looks match the supra racing concept at Geneva. Its the supra.

So now I have to ask - what the hell do they need another 18 months of ring/road running that thing in Camo for? That's absurd.... Usually Nurburgring lap testing is one of the last stages - and it doesn't take 1.5 years to complete. PORSCHE CAN AND MOST LIKELY WILL START AND RELEASE A NEW 911 IN THAT TIME.

So Is Toyota GB lying? mislead, or just plain stupid?
Is Toyota really that much further behind than we thought? it could explain the lack of stats and wild speculation, but doesn't explain why they would go to Geneva with that thing, have a near finished version driving around in Camo-drag, then tell us its still way over a year away from production.

One reason screams out to me..... publicity through misinformation. Aka, a Marketing Scam Job.
I think Toyota is deliberately releasing BS and conflicting information to keep the project under wraps, whip up publicity, and prevent accurate info being made public prior to reveal. If i'm right we will see the production car very soon, whilst hype is high, and with much better figures and costs than we think.

If not, its going to be just like rick and morty, with its very real multiple year season waits that taunt you.... NOT FUNNY .. NOT FkN FUNNY

Dear toyota:
Please do NOT put me through the same sh#t as rick and morty in the clip below - I swear to god, you will have me re-creating the car/vacation scene(at end) in your busiest dealership on its release ->

 

[jdcalve]

Don't derail the color discussion. Just getting good.

 

[Vaevictum]

I posted this in the wrong thread - better off here:


More bad news if accurate:

Most articles are suggesting its still nearly a A YEAR AND A HALF away from reveal, let alone production....
Example: http://www.thedrive.com/news/19049/production-toyota-supra-confirmed-to-get-early-2019-reveal

The eagle eyed among you will have spotted the worst part - the official response from Toyota GB which says:

"We think hearing that the road Supra will be revealed in the first half of next year might be of interest!
— ToyotaGB (@ToyotaGB) March 6, 2018"

ughhhhhh

• "Half" means Quarter 2....
• which inevitably means DEBUT June 2019 ...
• ..... does that mean production 2020???

This is very confusing and frustrating - because if true, it means the revealed race car in Geneva wont be able to compete (in most classes) until 2020 - when sufficient numbers have been manufactured to qualify for entry into the GT classes for example.

So what the hell is Toyota going to do with a race car it likely cant race? Park it in a garage for 18+ months? write it off in the next FnF movie? play GT7 & GT8 when they are released before this thing is? what the hell good is releasing a road car's alter-ego race-version 18 months early?

It strongly suggests the road car is still in the first stages of R&D,

it also says to me that thing we saw in Geneva was a plastic fantastic/wooden mock up. hence no engine shots, and no stats of virtually any kind. It makes me think - Has Toyota themselves even figured that out yet? Perhaps they don't even know what engine they want in it..... are they just doing a trump and making total BS up as they go along?


BUT - wiping out & massively contradicting the above - is the fact that we have spy shots of the new supra - its very real and running around the ring. We have all seen it. Its looks match the supra racing concept at Geneva. Its the supra.

So now I have to ask - what the hell do they need another 18 months of ring/road running that thing in Camo for? That's absurd.... Usually Nurburgring lap testing is one of the last stages - and it doesn't take 1.5 years to complete. PORSCHE CAN AND MOST LIKELY WILL START AND RELEASE A NEW 911 IN THAT TIME.

So Is Toyota GB lying? mislead, or just plain stupid?
Is Toyota really that much further behind than we thought? it could explain the lack of stats and wild speculation, but doesn't explain why they would go to Geneva with that thing, have a near finished version driving around in Camo-drag, then tell us its still way over a year away from production.

One reason screams out to me..... publicity through misinformation. Aka, a Marketing Scam Job.
I think Toyota is deliberately releasing BS and conflicting information to keep the project under wraps, whip up publicity, and prevent accurate info being made public prior to reveal. If i'm right we will see the production car very soon, whilst hype is high, and with much better figures and costs than we think.

If not, its going to be just like rick and morty, with its very real multiple year season waits that taunt you.... NOT FUNNY .. NOT FkN FUNNY

Dear toyota:
Please do NOT put me through the same sh#t as rick and morty in the clip below - I swear to god, you will have me re-creating the car/vacation scene(at end) in your busiest dealership on its release ->

I pray to the car gods above that your thoughts on whipping up publicity and hype before bringing the beast to market are accurate

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

it's now set for early 2019 and that's even coming from my sources... they decided to not show the production concept and instead just do the GT3 and then production next year.

oh well...

Awww that sucks. I would have much rather see a "production concept" vs a race car concept.

 

[supraboi]

Thanks to @Guff for posting this.

If they are going to start production in early 2019 then I would think that would mean we would see the production car sometime mid to late this year. I'm thinking a Paris or Pebble Beach debut.

Huge thanks to Moto-San for the translation!



Here we have the Toyota GR Supra Racing Concept.
And presenting it is Chief Engineer Tada.

Q: Why was a racing version first unveiled? That’s rather bold and unprecedented.

-- WE really wanted to present that car with a focus on motorsports, and the related attributes of how the production form will prove to be agile, and responsive in character for this car. We really wanted to stress this. As Gazoo Racing, which is the leading resource for the product planning of this vehicle, this was also one of the missions, to tie in the element of motorsports and driving pleasure.

Q: It has been announced a while ago that this was a joint-project with BMW, how did this flow? Were there any difficulties?

-- Much like how we collaborated in the past for the 86 (and BRZ) with Subaru, we had a lot of discussion on what our goals were, and what it meant to both parties. Because there are cultural differences in how engineers and consumers for both locales engineer, design, perceive, and eventually own cars, this proved to be something quite challenging. Initially a slow and extremely careful process. It took almost 2 years to come to a solid understanding at both firms to focus on a singular design direction for the product.

Q: Were there any strong elements where you could not compromise for the development goals for this Supra?

-- Of course, first and foremost we were adamant that this will be a very “pure” sports car. Could we accomplish this with BMW? Also, we intended this car to be sold through Toyota dealerships globally, and was this achievable at the level of quality that dealers and customers have come to expect from Toyota?

I can count a whole list of such concerns and discussions we had initially, but as of this time, we’ve come to a very good relationship with BMW, and we as engineers enjoy building the final stages leading to production stage.

Q: That number 90 on the door of the car, does that mean A90 that succeeds the A80?

-- Yes, thank you for noticing! That was our warm message to the world, that this is another succession in the Supra heritage. It designates indeed, the “NEXT” Supra.

Q: Inline 6, how important is that?

-- We have first, traveled around the world for voices of many Supra owners and fans. And one thing we noticed being referred to over and over was the inline 6, and the silky character of the engines that defined the Supra.

We didn’t particularly see the element of nostalgia to be a focal point of the revival of the name, although each region had their own strong ideas about what they wished deriving from characters and identities of the past Supra.

But much like the 86, we thought it had to be relevant to today’s customer needs, and evolved into something to really succeed the previous cars.

We’ve seen turbo and naturally aspirated engines in previous iterations, but all inline 6. So that was one thing we were firmly fixated from the start. That and the fact that it must stay front engine, and rear drive just as all previous 5 generations of Supra. Our fans everywhere made sure we focused on these two elements adamantly as well, universally.

Q: How long will we have to wait until we see a production version?

-- For a drivable production car?

We’ve announced elsewhere that we are planning to start production early next year (2019), and from now, leading up to the production date, there are still some elements to be fine-tuned, and decided. Perhaps we can arrange for a test-drive soon to gather your opinions. We will try our best.

We hope to give more people a chance to drive it soon.

What is unique however, about this development is that we have used available testing periods on the streets from the very early stages. From the very technical engineering standpoint, this was very unusual. Normally a car we design will see a lot more test course development before it is roaming the streets. But for this car, in fact I would say that 90% of driving tests were conducted in the real-world scenario of public roads.

However I can go on and on, but it will only amount to just words, so please wait just a little longer when we can offer a very detailed driving experience.

Q: Understood, so we shall wait for the day when we can grasp the steering wheel in our own hands to experience it!

--Yes, just a little longer, thank you so much.

 

[Lexusisf]

Its so hard to know when we might see the car, you would think if production starts early 19, wouldn't they want to show it well before then, to build hype and drive demand up?

 

[supraboi]

Its so hard to know when we might see the car, you would think if production starts early 19, wouldn't they want to show it well before then, to build hype and drive demand up?

 

[Lexusisf]

That is what I am saying, yes they need to show it before production as early as possible...

 

[johnny_10196]

Looks like they're going to start production in early 2019, so we should see the production car a few months before that.

Huge thanks to Moto-San for the translation!



Q: How long will we have to wait until we see a production version?

-- For a drivable production car?
We’ve announced elsewhere that we are planning to start production early next year (2019), and from now, leading up to the production date, there are still some elements to be fine-tuned, and decided. Perhaps we can arrange for a test-drive soon to gather your opinions. We will try our best.
We hope to give more people a chance to drive it soon.
What is unique however, about this development is that we have used available testing periods on the streets from the very early stages. From the very technical engineering standpoint, this was very unusual. Normally a car we design will see a lot more test course development before it is roaming the streets. But for this car, in fact I would say that 90% of driving tests were conducted in the real-world scenario of public roads.
However I can go on and on, but it will only amount to just words, so please wait just a little longer when we can offer a very detailed driving experience.

 

[SupraStew85]

After browsing around there seems to be a bit of controversy over the debut of a production spec mk5 Supra, between car news outlets and forum insiders. What are your thoughts on when we can expect to see the mk5 ?

 

[vb22]

We already have a poll on this.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/to...on-car-headed-to-detroit-in-january-2019.771/

 

[SupraStew85]

AHHHHHH

 

[Craigy]

Just changed my vote, but couldn't find the TMS 2019 option

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