Race Tracking Your Supra - Information exchange

[Evolution]

FWIW - I run a Whiteline front sway (which is solid, not hollow, because I like the curve chart better) on the softest setting and I really need to install my rear bar because of the understeer. I thought it would feel like stock bias since I run a square tire setup but nope, understeer.

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[3TMagnetMan]

FWIW - I run a Whiteline front sway (which is solid, not hollow, because I like the curve chart better) on the softest setting and I really need to install my rear bar because of the understeer. I thought it would feel like stock bias since I run a square tire setup but nope, understeer.

I was reading the Eibach sway bars instructions Front Soft would decrease understeer and Rear on mid and stiffest setting will also reduce understeer.

 

[Evolution]

I was reading the Eibach sway bars instructions Front Soft would decrease understeer and Rear on mid and stiffest setting will also reduce understeer.

Thats cause eibach knows nothing about handling haha. Stiffer front means more understeer. Stiffer rear means more oversteer. My personal opinion is that they should only be used for fine tuning the suspension. It's the springs that should be doing most of the work.

 

[3TMagnetMan]

Thats cause eibach knows nothing about handling haha. Stiffer front means more understeer. Stiffer rear means more oversteer. My personal opinion is that they should only be used for fine tuning the suspension. It's the springs that should be doing most of the work.

That's what I was getting at lol

TUNING YOUR EIBACH REAR BAR
Softest Setting.
Reduces over-steer
Use in rain or on slick roads. Use on rough or bumpy roads. Increases comfort.
Mid Setting / Street Performance Setting. Tuning out under or over-steer.
For normal driving conditions. Dry street driving.
Use with additional trunk weight.
Firmest Setting.
Reduces under-steer
Use on dry roads and tracks. Use on smooth roads and tracks. Do not use on wet or slick roads


Front

a) Full Rear / Softest Setting.

•  Reduces under-steer
•  Use in rain or on slick roads.
•  Use on rough or bumpy roads.
•  Increases comfort.

b) Mid Setting / Street Performance Setting.

•  Tuning out under or over-steer.
•  For normal driving conditions.
•  Dry street driving.
•  Use with additional trunk weight.

c) Full Forward / Firmest Setting.

•  Reduces over-steer
•  Use on dry roads and tracks.
•  Use on smooth roads and tracks.
•  Do not use on wet or slick roads

 

[3TMagnetMan]

Thats cause eibach knows nothing about handling haha. Stiffer front means more understeer. Stiffer rear means more oversteer. My personal opinion is that they should only be used for fine tuning the suspension. It's the springs that should be doing most of the work.

I agree the springs should do all the work so I would do soft settings for sway bars. Again depends on your mods from OEM to Aftermarket.

 

[Evolution]

That's what I was getting at lol

TUNING YOUR EIBACH REAR BAR
Softest Setting.
Reduces over-steer
Use in rain or on slick roads. Use on rough or bumpy roads. Increases comfort.
Mid Setting / Street Performance Setting. Tuning out under or over-steer.
For normal driving conditions. Dry street driving.
Use with additional trunk weight.
Firmest Setting.
Reduces under-steer
Use on dry roads and tracks. Use on smooth roads and tracks. Do not use on wet or slick roads


Front

a) Full Rear / Softest Setting.

•  Reduces under-steer
•  Use in rain or on slick roads.
•  Use on rough or bumpy roads.
•  Increases comfort.

b) Mid Setting / Street Performance Setting.

•  Tuning out under or over-steer.
•  For normal driving conditions.
•  Dry street driving.
•  Use with additional trunk weight.

c) Full Forward / Firmest Setting.

•  Reduces over-steer
•  Use on dry roads and tracks.
•  Use on smooth roads and tracks.
•  Do not use on wet or slick roads

The way you worded it did not make sense until you posted this haha.

 

[razorlab]

comparing palmer to nurbergring is unheard of so far.. for me, Nurbergring is nothing like palmer. and has a lot more interesting corners than palmer, trust me. good that you didn't compare palmer to corkscrew in laguna seca.

Not sure how you think I was comparing Palmer to Nurburgring. I was simply challenging your asinine comment that blind corners make a bad track. The Nurburgring is 90% blind corners and considered one of the most challenging tracks in the world.

It’s a bummer you think one of the most challenging tracks in the Northeast is a bad track. I sure hope that Palmer video of yours is in slow motion. That lap is almost a whole minute slower than us.

 

[FLtrackdays]

Thats cause eibach knows nothing about handling haha. Stiffer front means more understeer. Stiffer rear means more oversteer. My personal opinion is that they should only be used for fine tuning the suspension. It's the springs that should be doing most of the work.

Even at the ”softest“ settings they will be stiffer than the OEM. After I drive some more on the Ohlins, I’ll have to visit this again. Good points above @3TMagnetMan

They won’t mess you up in any setting. You’re going to feel more planted regardless. Bottom line, the more you drive, the more adept you’ll become to the feel of the car. I’m personally not a fan of understeer from learning to drive in a tail happy S2K and went with the firmest settings.

My goal will be to get a pro driver behind the wheel next season & fine tune things a bit. Pick the middle setting, get out there, and have a blast! I don’t think you’ll notice much of a difference either way

 

[nibble]

Not sure how you think I was comparing Palmer to Nurburgring. I was simply challenging your asinine comment that blind corners make a bad track. The Nurburgring is 90% blind corners and considered one of the most challenging tracks in the world.

It’s a bummer you think one of the most challenging tracks in the Northeast is a bad track. I sure hope that Palmer video of yours is in slow motion. That lap is almost a whole minute slower than us.

your math is wrong unless you count blind apex as blind cannot see the apex.

palmer is interesting but not challenging. beautiful in fall color for sure and that's what the video was for not the ripping out going so fast that you cannot appreciate the beautiful surrounding. I do this time to time to practice my vision. - most important skill for track driving.

as this discussion started, in my opinion, palmer is not a track you'd make trip for compare to watkins glen or Road Atlanta or Nurbergring or Laguna Seca.

 

[Rocksandblues]

Not sure how you think I was comparing Palmer to Nurburgring. I was simply challenging your asinine comment that blind corners make a bad track. The Nurburgring is 90% blind corners and considered one of the most challenging tracks in the world.

It’s a bummer you think one of the most challenging tracks in the Northeast is a bad track. I sure hope that Palmer video of yours is in slow motion. That lap is almost a whole minute slower than us.

SHOTS FIRED! I love blind corners- faith and balls
turn 10 at VIR is one of the best turns in the country period.


And fwiw both my bars are on max firm! drive like an ape, rotate car on purpose. your mileage may vary.....

 

[razorlab]

your math is wrong unless you count blind apex as blind cannot see the apex.

I understand when someone is slower than a bone stock 90 hp 1990 ford escort on track at Palmer, they would consider it not a good track and not challenging. If I went even slower on my cooldown laps to match those times, I would find it not challenging either.

 

[3TMagnetMan]

Even at the ”softest“ settings they will be stiffer than the OEM. After I drive some more on the Ohlins, I’ll have to visit this again. Good points above @3TMagnetMan

They won’t mess you up in any setting. You’re going to feel more planted regardless. Bottom line, the more you drive, the more adept you’ll become to the feel of the car. I’m personally not a fan of understeer from learning to drive in a tail happy S2K and went with the firmest settings.

My goal will be to get a pro driver behind the wheel next season & fine tune things a bit. Pick the middle setting, get out there, and have a blast! I don’t think you’ll notice much of a difference either way

What I was confused about was my set up. My plan was sway bars and front camber plates originally . Then I added HKS springs and noticed how stiff everything is springs are settling. I was thinking running all soft or Run Front Soft and rear Mid to help reduce understeer. I want the springs to do their job. Maybe Run camber Front 2.1 with zero toe and run rear camber 2.2. Another variable is tires.

 

[3TMagnetMan]

The way you worded it did not make sense until you posted this haha.

Lmao yeah I kind of bad need a Chalk Board lmao

 

[3TMagnetMan]

Does any one know the specs of Eibach Sway bars compared to OEM on stiffness ???

 

[3TMagnetMan]

What's everyone alignment spec sheet like ????

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