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Discussion in 'General Supra Topics' started by JT, Oct 22, 2018.
Double the balance!
Sure, you screw up your toe it will eat your tires. Whats your point?
Mine is this is the first mk5 we've seen set up for race, and like every other lowered production mac strut car, they've had to crank up the static camber to get the mid corner camber they want. That always comes at the expense of straight line braking and unnecessary tire wear. A double wishbone arrangement not only allows much greater mid camber gain out of the box with minimal static camber, it gives you the ability to simply run an adjustable upper arm and then you can control explicitly your static camber at any ride height and still have good roll center and camber gain.
Can you engineer a mac strut car to corner well? Absolutely, at a single fixed ride height. All of those cars you just mentioned work very well at the stock ride height, and in the case of the Porsches, have a fairly low ride height out of the box. They also are rear engine and don't have a lot of weight on their front axle. But for more pedestrian fare that comes with speed bump friendly ride heights, concessions are made when you drop down to race ride heights.
I run a similar amount of static camber for lapping days on my mk2 Supra as seen in these pics (around 3 deg). Its more like 5 though for autox. I would love to have double wishbones, its one of the best technological advancements Toyota brought to the later Supras.
Exterior is growing on me. But why does the sole flying buttress on the centre console jut out on the driver’s side, rather than the passenger’s side? It is the very opposite of a ‘cockpit’ layout, as it actually looks like it makes reaching for the gear lever more difficult! It actually, physically, interferes with the driver reaching for the gear stick if his hand is already low. Looks terrible. It should be on the other side, ala a Jag F-Type. That would just make more sense.
And still, those "later" Supras are not really considered to be the pinnacle of handling right?
While I agree with you in general terms (double wishbones > mac struts), often people get too hung up on general design terminology, while the real focus should be implementation: a properly engineered mac strut will beat a mediocre double wishbone setup every single time, for less money. Also, there are so many other factors determining final handling characeteristics (weight, polar moment of inertia, COG, etc) on which Toyota does seem to have invested significantly.
At this point, I´m pretty sure we will get a really great handling car, much better than any previous Supra. Mac struts included. We shall see.
my personal opinion is that double wishbone is vastly superior for the reasons listed, but yes ultimately implementation is key.
I will say this though, everyone always parrots that Supras (A70-A80) don't handle well, and while they aren't life changing (in their own time or now) they were and still are pretty decent overall. Mediocre isn't a word I'd ever use to describe them.
M Sport suspension is a hilarious option on a Toyota!
If VLN is anything to go by, it corners like butter!
Considered to be, and actuality are two different things. I agree with most of what you say, but Mk4s at the very least handle pretty damn well.
I'm moderately happy to see the cupholders. The slide-out tray style bmw has been using suck and break easily. The downside is the cupholder placement definitely does not suggest a manual with gear-rowing as elbow would hit drinks
Let's hope for the best
Huh? It screams BMW...which to me is a little sad.
Basically I like what I see. Vents are open
The center console looks a little fissured for me, especially the A/C control seems to be displaced. I also don’t like the high glossy plastic around it. But maybe it looks different from driver seat. Radio controls and A/C seems to be a little driver oriented, but nothing else, even the display doesn’t.
What I don’t like that much is that speed is shown as digital numbers only.
But over all... it grows on me.
Is that the radar sensor placement for adaptive speed control?
It should be yes
Me being one of the few BMW fan boys of the group, disagrees with that
BTW: It screams much less “BMW” than most of us thought. The way the single components are placed is far away from BMW.
What I just want to know is: How is the Multimedia Systems / Navigation look & feel? Is it all BMW with the same UI? Or BMW with Toyota UI? Since I know how the digital cockpit looks, I’m not sure.