Rogue Engineering G8X M2/M3/M4 Short Travel Clutch Arm

[Keemaca]

It removes the dead space at the top and bottom.

So in addition from being lined up with the brake now it also shortened the travel? Does it end sooner now not needing to go all the way in?

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[lucky phil]

The pedal sits at the same height as the brake pedal now. Clutch engages and disengages right after coming off the bottom and right before the top. It removes the dead space at the top and bottom.

Took me just about an hour, but I've taken the pedal off before. Length of install is dependent on how well you work in tight spaces and uncomfortable positions.

This makes no sense at all.

Phil

 

[Renegadmelons]

The pedal sits at the same height as the brake pedal now. Clutch engages and disengages right after coming off the bottom and right before the top. It removes the dead space at the top and bottom.

Took me just about an hour, but I've taken the pedal off before. Length of install is dependent on how well you work in tight spaces and uncomfortable positions.

Does this help to improve your seating position at all? A problem I have is that the fire wall is so far away I have to kind of cramp my legs to be able to fully depress the clutch pedal.

Originally I planned to use a clutch stop but wonder if this was also a good solution instead.

 

[tracer bullet]

This makes no sense at all.

Phil

Why not? You're really stuck on this. If the various attachment points have moved, the geometry / leverage / operation will change. The overall shape at rest and where your foot contacts it can be changed as well. You seem set on implying it's impossible to revise the pedal itself or have anything related to it be different. Just getting it level with the brake instead of an annoying amount higher is an improvement on its own. Certainly you can make sense of that being possible to achieve.

 

[Strat-Supra]

I didn't design it, I installed it and am providing my experience and thoughts. I find it to be a huge difference from the OEM pedal. I was not a fan nor happy how the OEM pedal felt, the long throw, it sits higher than the brake pedal, and the dead space at the top and the bottom. If you don't like the words I'm using and how I'm describing it, I don't know what to tell you, buy it and see for yourself.

The pedal is not going to break the bank, for what it is and the work that went into designing and machining it, the price is very reasonable. The arm starts out as a 30lb aluminum block, which is machined into a billet aluminum arm.

If you have/had a clutch stop, I don't not believe it would work anymore, as the arm moves the position at which the pedal contacts the floor. I believe based on feel, that the travel from top to bottom is around 6 inches. Have I taken out a tape measure to measure, I have not. If I get a chance I will try to and measure, hopefully it will help in preventing me from being bashed.

Did I document the geometry, leverage or anything in any scientific manner, I did not.

As I've said a number of times. I am extremely satisfied, I find it to be very well made and worth every penny. It removed everything I hated about the OEM pedal.

To be clear, I am providing my feedback and experience. If you don't like what I've provided, I don't know what to tell you other than buy it and decide for yourself. Saying I'm not making sense or whatever is ridiculous, not sure who you're trying to impress, maybe it makes you feel tough or good about yourself, I don't know and don't care.

Hopefully you buy one and it changes your attitude and perspective. As well, the more they sell, the better the chance Rogue decides to come out with a SSK for the Supra.

 

[lucky phil]

Why not? You're really stuck on this. If the various attachment points have moved, the geometry / leverage / operation will change. The overall shape at rest and where your foot contacts it can be changed as well. You seem set on implying it's impossible to revise the pedal itself or have anything related to it be different. Just getting it level with the brake instead of an annoying amount higher is an improvement on its own. Certainly you can make sense of that being possible to achieve.

Because the clutch can't engage right off the bottom near the floor and then disengage just off the top of the travel, not mechanically possible in this instillation. If you can get the clutch to disengage near the top of the travel then it's pretty much going to have the same grip point there as well. You can't have it both ways.
This is why you measure the dimensions of both before you install then you can apply some sort of logic to any differences you may experience and discern between a different feel and and actual different operation. Many mods change the "feel" but not really the "action" of something. I'm sure an aluminium arm would be of benefit to people that install a high torque capacity clutch that increases the pedal effort by 50% or something if the leverage points were the same as oem due to possible reduced arm flex.
You also need to be careful about reducing or eliminating any free play at the top of the pedal travel. The free play at the top is there for a reason and if it's totally eliminated you introduce the possibility of other issue down the track or sometimes even immediately.
Phil

 

[Renegadmelons]

If you have/had a clutch stop, I don't not believe it would work anymore, as the arm moves the position at which the pedal contacts the floor. I believe based on feel, that the travel from top to bottom is around 6 inches. Have I taken out a tape measure to measure, I have not. If I get a chance I will try to and measure, hopefully it will help in preventing me from being bashed.

I figured a clutch stop might not work with the pedal, but are you able to sit further back and away from the steering wheel or the dead pedal/foot rest now?

 

[tracer bullet]

You also need to be careful

I think we agree then. It seemed like you didn't believe anything could be changed at all. You seemed skeptical the CDV did anything or that shift knob weights felt different, and bolded the mention of the height change as well regarding what didn't make sense. I was surprised, but I now see you were apparently on a different detail.

Eh. I'm not too worried about the engagement details, I'm sure it works well enough and I'll get used to any change. Perception and reality are often different though I still very much appreciate the description and insight. I'm in it for it being in line with the brake pedal, the height difference has been an annoyance since the very first time I drove the car to take it home from the dealer and I still notice as of the last time I drove it which was yesterday. As long as the leverage isn't farted up in a bad direction, and I'm doubting it is.

@Strat-Supra - thanks again for giving this product a go and sharing your thoughts!

 

[lucky phil]

I think we agree then. It seemed like you didn't believe anything could be changed at all. You seemed skeptical the CDV did anything or that shift knob weights felt different, and bolded the mention of the height change as well regarding what didn't make sense. I was surprised, but I now see you were apparently on a different detail.

Eh. I'm not too worried about the engagement details, I'm sure it works well enough and I'll get used to any change. Perception and reality are often different though I still very much appreciate the description and insight. I'm in it for it being in line with the brake pedal, the height difference has been an annoyance since the very first time I drove the car to take it home from the dealer and I still notice as of the last time I drove it which was yesterday. As long as the leverage isn't farted up in a bad direction, and I'm doubting it is.

@Strat-Supra - thanks again for giving this product a go and sharing your thoughts!

So here's an interesting thing. The images shown of clutch pedal arms at the beginning of this thread are nothing like my car has. As a matter of fact my clutch pedal arm is steel and about 6mm wide. I looked because I hadn't even noticed the 1 inch difference between the clutch pedal height and the brake pedal and personally I don't see any issue with that. Seems the RHD clutch pedal arms are totally different in design and material from the LHD cars.
Phil

 

[Funkjaw]

@Strat-Supra Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for doing this mod at your own risk and sharing your feedback with us. I will be following suit!

@lucky phil You need to get laid or something you are so negative every time you post.

 

[lucky phil]

@tracer bullet Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for doing this mod at your own risk and sharing your feedback with us. I will be following suit!

@lucky phil You need to get laid or something you are so negative every time you post.

Ha thats a bit rich from the guy that makes endless wholesale changes to his car to fix "issue" with it. I'm the guy who's very happy with the car as it is.
What have you complained about so far, wheel hop, the electronic diff, unhappy with the reverse lockout, the cup holders, and just about every driveline/suspension component from the gearbox output shaft back, and what now the clutch pedal arm/clutch action? how long have you owned the car? 6 months? So who's the negative one?
I'm a sceptic yes but that's an asset these days believe me.

Phil

 

[tracer bullet]

@tracer bullet Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for doing this mod at your own risk and sharing your feedback with us. I will be following suit!

That would be @Strat-Supra who was the first to order it and install it. Just to give credit where it is due.

So here's an interesting thing. The images shown of clutch pedal arms at the beginning of this thread are nothing like my car has. As a matter of fact my clutch pedal arm is steel and about 6mm wide. I looked because I hadn't even noticed the 1 inch difference between the clutch pedal height and the brake pedal and personally I don't see any issue with that. Seems the RHD clutch pedal arms are totally different in design and material from the LHD cars.
Phil

That's completely unexpected, to me at least. But it would explain a lot. Mine's like the parts diagram and pictures. I'd have thought they'd have the identical parts simply moved to the other side of the car, as is fairly normal to do, but obviously not in this case.

 

[Strat-Supra]

I figured a clutch stop might not work with the pedal, but are you able to sit further back and away from the steering wheel or the dead pedal/foot rest now?

I'm not sure if you could sit further back. My seat was further back than I'd like because my knee would come close to the steering wheel when coming off the clutch pedal. Granted I'm only 5' 9", but I've moved my seat up a little bit since.

I think some took what I mentioned about the engagement points too literal. It's not like slightly pushing down on the pedal the clutch disengages, nor when coming up. The pedal does have to travel a little bit, maybe an inch or a little more. It's nowhere near what it used to be. For me it felt like you had to go almost halfway down and up before disengagement and engagement.

 

[swrdply400mrelay]

I'm not sure if you could sit further back. My seat was further back than I'd like because my knee would come close to the steering wheel when coming off the clutch pedal. Granted I'm only 5' 9", but I've moved my seat up a little bit since.

I think some took what I mentioned about the engagement points too literal. It's not like slightly pushing down on the pedal the clutch disengages, nor when coming up. The pedal does have to travel a little bit, maybe an inch or a little more. It's nowhere near what it used to be. For me it felt like you had to go almost halfway down and up before disengagement and engagement.

Does the stock pedal cover come off and fit on the the Rogue? Would prefer it if my pedals matched. Thanks for being the guinea pig!

 

[Keemaca]

Does the pedal still need to go all the way in maxing out at the firewall like when going in reverse for example, or has that travel also been shortened?

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