Featured This is the new Toyota Supra (EU Spec)! Revealed in email from Toyota Germany

Discussion in 'General Supra Topics' started by t93, Dec 28, 2018.

  1. AsupramkvC

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    The real Supra should look more or less like these renderings. Love it more with the TOYOTA plaque spelled out. Looks a bit narrower from this angle; but the real car should be wider, as expected. Can’t wait! 16 more days to go!
     
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    A simple aftermarket solution for sure. But what they will reveal officially will be the one that counts, for most. Something like... it’ll be the original version, then whatever you modify, it will be according to your own taste. Well, no matter what, a Supra is a Supra; and I’m looking forward to the reveal. LOL:thumbsup:
     
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    Jesus Christ @SupraFiend. Are you actually underestimating Toyota's integrity? I could make a god damn book as to why these guys are the most anal in detail, quality and performance.

    I mean... these are the guys who initially made an excuse that a MT can't happen because the torque from the Supra will be "too much" for it to handle. Let me name you some manufacturers who don't give a shit about that.

    - Chevrolet
    - Ford
    - Dodge

    And those are just three examples that I thought of in a split second. Imagine if I worked a little deeper to find dirt on other OEM's as well. Come the hell on man how dense can people get in this forum?!?!?! :banghead: <-- Me when I see some people's responses.

    Also, you do realize why Toyota continued to leave a 15 year old engine in their Corolla (ending with the 11th generation). Oh right. Reliability. How about their 2GR 3.5L V6 engine? That thing is STILL in production in modern cars (though not that old but it is beginning to show some age), still performing extremely well and giving a good scare to the Europeans and other manufacturers, and doing this SINCE 2006. I am betting right now that engine will stay in production until 2025 at least. They developed the shit out of the engine from the mid to late 90's, pushing over 300 horsepower. Just take two seconds to think about that. They spent years mastering their up and coming V6 to give the biggest horror to every other manufacturer. When it came out, it absolutely BLEW everything to smithereens. It wiped the floor with the competition. Guess how long it took the Germans to catch up? I don't know... maybe like... 10 or so years? They made sure everything was at the level of perfection in terms of reliability, performance, quality and resistant to stress.

    You do realize this is why they took forever with this new one. There was something that had to be there at the least common denominator. It. Had. To. Be. Reliable. There is ABSOLUTELY no other way around it if they wanted the MKV Supra to be as good as it should be. They dissected everything to bits and sent everything to Japan to undergo so much quality and durability testing, and racked thousands of miles around the world. That's dedication, that's being meticulous, and obviously that's their goal to be in the pursuit of perfection, most of all, that is Toyota and Lexus in a nutshell.

    They're flawed and dear god some of their flaws are annoying, but I haven't seen any other OEM that has worked as hard as these guys.
     
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    great post, but Toyota while still a great car company hasn't been as bullet proof as in the past. Its not just Toyota but Honda and Nissan as well.

    people are no longer just doing routine maintenance on modern day toyota's, and their reliability suffered with their (japan) economy where they had to cut corners to be profitable, as well as toyota getting into the volume sales business.
     
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    ^^ Hah! I was looking at the people online and your name caught my eye. I looked into you and how ironic you reply me. Hello fellow F1 fan. :headbang:

    I respect your opinion. But I cannot buy that for a second. Nissan and Honda have been in the shits for the last couple of years (I would still trust Honda/Acura by a country mile than Nissan/Infiniti). I could make a very strong list that Toyota is problem free (in fact they are getting better time by time in many regards) and Nissan and Honda are worse than ever. I will list the major problems Nissan and Honda have.

    Nissan:
    - Interior build quality issues
    - Horrible exterior safety
    - Timing belt issues
    - Starter issues
    - Electrical issues
    - Overheating issues
    - In-car Mechanical issues
    - And not forgetting the elephant in the room, the shitbox CVT.

    Honda:
    - Turbo issues
    - Engine internal issues
    - An assload of transmission issues
    - Overheating issues

    Toyota? Defects happen all the time but there isn't one major and recurring issue that these guys ever have. And they are the largest automotive company in the entire world.
     
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    Add a manual , targa and mkiv wing and I’m sold.
     
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    North American and Japanese cars will not say Toyota above Supra. European cars will.

    Jeff
     
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    Japanese made Nissans (Z, GTR, Infiniti) are generally good to go. It's the ones made elsewhere that get a bad rap and rightfully so.

    I've had 3 personal friends that have had nothing but issues with Nissan USA vehicles. All 2004-2008 (Titan, Sentra, Maxima) models involving heavy cost cutting... I think there was a 2014 Rogue somewhere in there too (CVT issues) .

    I also have plenty of friends with Zs, Qs (I own one), GTRs, and no issues other than regular wear items.
     
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    That's not quite the experience I've had with Nissan products. I know your anecdotal evidence is just as good as mine, so we'll leave it at that.
     
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    #85 Dec 29, 2018
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    I definitely believe that. You probably haven't heard the slightest squeak from your timing belt...
     
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    Certainly everyone has their own experiences.

    yessir.
     
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    Toyota isn’t too bad but to say they don’t have recurring issues is wrong. You obviously know nothing about the Hilux (the byword for reliability) that for the last 8-10 years has been plagued by injector issues, chassis that rot through, front to back, in 3-4 years, infotainment that barely works, etc, etc.
    Toyota are great but excessive fanboyism can ruin your credibility.

    I’m interested to see the actual car. A Cayman S pulled into the petrol station next to me the other day and it looked fantastic. Grown up but still pretty. That’s not what I’m getting from the Supra renderings. I’m (the only one that’s) not worried about performance or reliability. I trust them on that, for me it’s looks and, ultimately, price that will win or lose my business.

    I’m hopeful. Toyota have struggled to get the 300 UK deposits and must have read the predominantly negative feedback online. This must have knocked their confidence so I think (hope) that will be shaping to final body tweaks (lips, wings, splitters, etc) and pricing.
     
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    So much truth! That’s why I can’t here all that reliability discussion any longer.
    I already referred to German ADAC statistics month ago. BMW is always on top. And yes, that’s representative.

    Don’t forget: In Germany you find some roads you are able to drive as fast as you want to. The cars are at their limits again and again. This is all days hardcore testing.

    Your asking for long time reliability? Just take care of your car. It’s on you.
     
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    You mean to say the 300 initial slots allotted for UK were not all spoken for?:eek:
     
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