Toyota Teases GR Line Up: Supra MK6, Celica MK8, MR2 MK4, 86 MK3 and GR GT! (Bonus: Lexus LFA)

[Ron L]

77 and still getting after it.
I hope I’m lucky enough to do the same when/if I get there!

At 50 I wondered if I might be a little too old for a car like a Supra but I guess not!

In the last year I have done Track Days at Sebring, Daytona, Barber and Road Atlanta. All tracks I never got to race on back in my SCCA days. BTW these tracks were all road trips for me as I live in SW Florida now... well Sebring was just a day trip!Back in my SCCA days (1979thru 1996) I raced in the Midwest with a 1979 Fiat X-1/9 and a 1987 E Production MR2. The photo is from the 1995 SCCA Runoffs at MidOhio.
I expect to still be doing track days for at least the next 5 years!

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[Ron L]

Reborn Toyota MR2: Full story on mid-engined sports car for 2028

Mid-engined model primed with 2.0-litre engine that could offer as much as 600bhp

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/reborn-toyota-mr2-full-story-mid-engined-sports-car-2028

I hope the car looks better than the image they used in this article. I believe that was an all electric prototype they put together.

 

[Ron L]

Motor Trend reported this:

The other big question, of course, is what will power it? Most automakers have leaned into electric powertrains for sports cars, because there’s no better way to get massive speed without killing your corporate fuel-economy average. For the Celica, we suspect Toyota will do what Toyota does best: a hybrid powertrain. And that makes sense—historically, Celicas used new but proven technology, like four-valve heads and turbochargers, to make power. Toyota told British publication Autocar that a 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine is the most likely powerplant, presumably from the new G20E engine family. With a turbocharger and electrification—and the need to top the existing GR Corolla’s 300 horsepower—we can’t imagine the new Celica boasting anything less than 400 hp, with headroom for plenty more.

And they offered this image:

It's not bad looking, but I might just keep my 2025 Supra over this car. It's too 'plain jane' looking to my taste. I want an MR2 that looks more like a Lotus Emira. Now if this Celica is a mid-engine car... all bets are off until I get to drive it!

 

[BMWAF]

Motor Trend reported this:

The other big question, of course, is what will power it? Most automakers have leaned into electric powertrains for sports cars, because there’s no better way to get massive speed without killing your corporate fuel-economy average. For the Celica, we suspect Toyota will do what Toyota does best: a hybrid powertrain. And that makes sense—historically, Celicas used new but proven technology, like four-valve heads and turbochargers, to make power. Toyota told British publication Autocar that a 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine is the most likely powerplant, presumably from the new G20E engine family. With a turbocharger and electrification—and the need to top the existing GR Corolla’s 300 horsepower—we can’t imagine the new Celica boasting anything less than 400 hp, with headroom for plenty more.

And they offered this image:

It's not bad looking, but I might just keep my 2025 Supra over this car. It's too 'plain jane' looking to my taste. I want an MR2 that looks more like a Lotus Emira. Now if this Celica is a mid-engine car... all bets are off until I get to drive it!

400hp? LMFAO. Never going to happen. They didn't even give us that much power, and we sit at the top of that tree. May as well be quoting BestCar Magazine at this point.

 

[26StratMT]

400hp? LMFAO. Never going to happen. They didn't even give us that much power, and we sit at the top of that tree. May as well be quoting BestCar Magazine at this point.

If it has an electric assist I wouldn’t be surprised by it.
~100hp electric motor and ~300hp from the turbo 4-pot isn’t unreasonable.
I still wouldn’t want it though.

Technically we basically have 400hp, or even a bit more, regardless of the “official” ratings.
I suspect if they eventually do a new Supra it would be in the ~500hp range with a similar hybrid electric system.
It would have to be really incredible to pry my “analog” MT Supra from my hands though.

 

[jmikes]

400hp? LMFAO. Never going to happen. They didn't even give us that much power, and we sit at the top of that tree. May as well be quoting BestCar Magazine at this point.

I don't think it's too far-fetched. If the next gen GR86 is in the high 200's to 300 BHP range making the Celica any less than high 300's would just hurt GR86 sales, even if they're two different flavors of sports car otherwise in terms of size/handling/weight.

 

[BMWAF]

If it has an electric assist I wouldn’t be surprised by it.
~100hp electric motor and ~300hp from the turbo 4-pot isn’t unreasonable.
I still wouldn’t want it though.

Technically we basically have 400hp, or even a bit more, regardless of the “official” ratings.
I suspect if they eventually do a new Supra it would be in the ~500hp range with a similar hybrid electric system.
It would have to be really incredible to pry my “analog” MT Supra from my hands though.

I don't think it's too far-fetched. If the next gen GR86 is in the high 200's to 300 BHP range making the Celica any less than high 300's would just hurt GR86 sales, even if they're two different flavors of sports car otherwise in terms of size/handling/weight.
Seriously?

Think it through. Before the MKV came out, how much hp did people think it was going to have?

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO chance a 400hp Celica will top the Supra.. while also somehow magically costing less than a co-developed car. Remove the hopes and dreams and it just doesn't make any rational sense. Just because it's physically possible, it in no way means it's going to happen.

Remember all the S58 GRMN rumors?

The Celica/MR2/whatever they are cooking will most likely be a low powered <86 tier "sports car" much the way Honda's prelude is. And on cannibalizing sales, I think Toyota would be crazy to field so many cars in such a relatively narrow segment:

GR Yaris
GR Corolla
GR 86
GR Celica
GR MR2
GR Supra

IF the MR2/Celica/whatever they are cooking is anywhere near 300hp, let alone 400hp, I would be shocked if the Yaris or GR86 don't end up being sunset to make room.

This thread is literally fueled by hopes and dreams.. and maybe an editor at BestCar Magazine.

 

[26StratMT]

Think it through. Before the MKV came out, how much hp did people think it was going to have?

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO chance a 400hp Celica will top the Supra.. while also somehow magically costing less than a co-developed car. Remove the hopes and dreams and it just doesn't make any rational sense. Just because it's physically possible, it in no way means it's going to happen.

Remember all the S58 GRMN rumors?

The Celica/MR2/whatever they are cooking will most likely be a low powered <86 tier "sports car" much the way Honda's prelude is. And on cannibalizing sales, I think Toyota would be crazy to field so many cars in such a relatively narrow segment:

GR Yaris
GR Corolla
GR 86
GR Celica
GR MR2
GR Supra

IF the MR2/Celica/whatever they are cooking is anywhere near 300hp, let alone 400hp, I would be shocked if the Yaris or GR86 don't end up being sunset to make room.

This thread is literally fueled by hopes and dreams.. and maybe an editor at BestCar Magazine.

I think you are not taking into account the impact of electrification.
Cars have more power all the time, family sedans are cooking with 300-400hp these days and it seems normal.
Factory performance cars are pushing 500-1000hp now.
Supercars are now often in the 1000-2000hp range.
10 years ago those were crazy numbers.
It’s bonkers!

Even at 400hp in the Supra those are fairly mild numbers now.
it’s fast, but mostly because it’s so small.

Electrification makes it really easy to push the hp into what used to be considered very high performance.

I also don’t think the current Supra numbers matter to Toyota.
It’s over and done, comparisons will only be made to the vehicles they currently make.
I’m sure an eventual new Supra would sit above the MR2 or Celica and those others but expecting the last gen Supra to stay above is silly.

 

[jmikes]

The GR Supra has the power it has because Toyota wanted a cayman competitor, and the cayman's power is only in the low to mid 300's.

The next-gen MK6 will most likely go the route of the R35 GTR of "supercar performance for under $100K", so I fully expect it to be 500+ BHP. Wouldn't make sense to make it sub-500 HP when Toyota is developing multiple other sports cars that will be cheaper and somewhat less powerful.

 

[26StratMT]

I also don’t think MR2 or Celica even with 400hp will have a major impact on the MK5 desirability in the long run.
Especially the MT’s.

It still looks better than all of those and it’s hard to match the buttery smooth six with a hybrid 4-pot.
it’s also extremely easy to push 500hp or more in the MKV.
I’m sure they will be fast and fun but they won’t be the same kind of experience the Supra offers.
Now, all bets are off with a MK6 Supra though, but again a lot will depend on what it offers.
I think if it doesn’t have a turbo straight six at minimum it will be disappointing though.

 

[mmspider]

I think you are not taking into account the impact of electrification.
Cars have more power all the time, family sedans are cooking with 300-400hp these days and it seems normal.
Factory performance cars are pushing 500-1000hp now.
Supercars are now often in the 1000-2000hp range.
10 years ago those were crazy numbers.
It’s bonkers!

Even at 400hp in the Supra those are fairly mild numbers now.
it’s fast, but mostly because it’s so small.

Electrification makes it really easy to push the hp into what used to be considered very high performance.

I also don’t think the current Supra numbers matter to Toyota.
It’s over and done, comparisons will only be made to the vehicles they currently make.
I’m sure an eventual new Supra would sit above the MR2 or Celica and those others but expecting the last gen Supra to stay above is silly.

Yeah idk how people don`t see the progression. Everything has taken a step up in power.

And yes the current Supra is out of production. Its no longer something Toyota needs to market.

 

[BMWAF]

Factory performance cars are pushing 500-1000hp now.

After a quick AI query, here are the cheapest performance cars in the US that are 500hp+ from factory.

Rank	Car	HP	US MSRP
1	Ford Mustang Dark Horse	500	$64,080
2	BMW M3 Competition	523	~$80k
3	Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing	668	~$99k
4	Mustang Dark Horse SC	795	~$105k
5	Chevrolet Corvette Z06	670	~$110k+

 

[Ron L]

So I admit, I am an eturnal optimist. I hope for a nearly 400hp MR2 that looks something like this:

But the truth is, in the past, Toyota has vercar line y, very rarely offered any serious horsepower in their lower line of sports cars. Just look at the last MR2, it's a joke. Now, will Toyota (along with the new GR operation) offer the new MR2 as a replacement to the Supra? Make it more 'high end' than the past MR2 models? Maybe. After all, how far down the road do you think the next Supra model is? 2030... unlikely. 2035 more likely. Consider how many years there were between the Mk4 and the Mk5. That was a gap from 2002 to 2019, So a high end MR2 as the top of the sports car line isn't out of the question.

BTW, yes there is a GRGT, but that's as crazy a car as the Corvette ZR1... way out of my price range.

 

[Rob_SER]

you'll get it eventually.

Standards evolve over time. it's completly normal that a 2029 car will have more power than a 2019 car (MK5 Supra)...

the next Supra, that will be from the same generation of cars will likely be 450hp+ and still be on top of the foodchain.

Were you mad that the GR Corolla had more power than the MK4 Supra? The MK5 Supra and that upcoming MR2/Celica will be 10 years apart...

 

[Captain_Kirk]

Toyota Celica set to be revived as AWD hybrid

Long-running – and long-absent – coupé poised for a comeback as GR's new entry model

Toyota is poised to bring back the Celica for an eighth generation, more than two decades after the last version went off sale, as an entry model for its new GR performance brand.

The sports coupé is set to return as part of chairman Akio Toyoda's ambition to resurrect the "three brothers" - his affectionate nickname for the Supra, MR2 and Celica. With the Supra revived through a partnership with BMW several years ago, and plans taking shape for an imminent resurrection of the mid-engined MR2, the Celica is tipped to be next down the line.

The firm has not yet committed to a timeline, but a test mule for Toyota's 2027 World Rally Championship contender was recently spotted with a radical new two-door body. Next year's WRC rules no longer tie bodywork to a current road car, but it would make sense for Toyota to use it to promote a new Celica.

Swapping from the GR Yaris the firm currently fields in the WRC to the Celica would be a return to form for Toyota, which has used several iterations of its coupé as the basis for factory rally cars over the years - winning the 1993 and 1994 WRC with Celicas.

As with previous generations, the new Celica road car is expected to be based heavily on more mainstream underpinnings - and logically those would be supplied in its next outing by the rakish new Corolla, which was previewed by a futuristic, mould-breaking concept at last year's Tokyo motor show.

A two-door, sporting-oriented take on its big-selling family hatchback would provide Toyota with a direct rival to the similarly conceived Honda Prelude - based on the Civic - and provide a less extreme entry point into the expanding GR line-up, which will be topped by the new V8-engined GR GT supercar.

The new model, which is being referred to internally as the Celica Sport, is expected to use the same 2.0-litre engine as the GR Yaris M concept that's being used as the mule for the new MR2, but here mounted at the front (as it has been for all seven previous generations), and forming part of a hybrid powertrain, à la Corolla.

The WRC's 2027 regulations mandate a 1.6-litre engine, so the rally car is expected to use an evolution of the current GR Yaris's engine, but Mikio Hayashi, marketing manager for Toyota's GR division, previously told Autocar that the three-pot "cannot meet emissions regulations, so we have to consider the possibility of a 2.0-litre" in the road-going derivative.

He said the firm was "not at a stage where we can tell you exactly what size it is" and that no decision had been made about whether to use a hybrid or plug-in hybrid powertrain. The Corolla will be available with both and, like the MR2, will use a new engine that is as small as possible to allow for a low-slung body and spacious cabin.

Irrespective of its exact powertrain, the new Celica is expected to be four-wheel drive - in rally and road-going forms - although there's no indication of plans to revive the GT-Four name.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/toyota-celica-set-be-revived-awd-hybrid

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