ZF8 Automatic transmission Vs. the manual 6 speed

[Syeeee]

If the Supra wasn't a "tuner" car, the straight line speed wouldn't even be a big appeal of the car, and people would go the Porsche route:

AT for track
MT for street

I agree.

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[Syeeee]

No it doesn't The fact that the ECU is locked literally makes your argument bunk, lol. Toyota chose to include a locked Bosch ECU. End of story. #Dontbelievethehype.

And there is no such thing as a "tuner car" anyway. There is just cars people tune.

Alright guy. It's just a "car" that people choose to tune. Happy?

My maint point is versus evs.

 

[Vertex]

In complete agreement with @driftguy @BMWAF who cares what others think and just enjoy what you have and what you got. You wanted it, you bought it for specific reasons or not. You never need to justify yourself to others on your choices for doing something like this.

I'd like to know what these other guys are driving when they give you flack for having an auto sports car cause I'm guessing most of them don't have something as nice as this. I see it a lot where I'm at to and I bet most of the guys who act that way don't do anything more than street their cars anyways.

One other thing I saw @SoDakMk5 mentioned, a lot of high end sports cars don't even offer manuals anymore and only come with an automatic and you don't see people negating away from those at all. GT500 & GTRs spring to mind right away, no manual offered.

 

[5150.MKV]

I'm playing all sides since I own them all, I don't understand why people keep saying get an AT if you drive in traffic. I drove in traffic every day in my MT. Trust me, you'll get used to it.

Wanted to piggyback off of this opinion as well. I currently own a 24 MT and honestly I love it in and out of traffic. The clutch is super light so it's not super taxing on your leg during traffic and the auto rev matching makes downshifting easier and less of a task (though it did take a bit to get used too but you can turn it off if you don't like it!!). Prior to the Supra I owned a Focus RS and the clutch in that car felt much heavier and annoying in traffic, made the LA traffic hell to deal with. I could only imagine what a race clutch would feel like.

That being said I have not had the opportunity to drive the automatic and made my choice on the transmission solely on the fact that I get bored driving automatic cars. I've heard nothing but great things about the ZF8 transmission and look forward to driving an AT eventually.

 

[ArmenLS1]

Alright guy. It's just a "car" that people choose to tune. Happy?

My maint point is versus evs.

Lol, it's also a car that gets more attention than a Ferrari. It catches a lot of attention, regardless of the transmission inside. Both are fun.

EDIT: The goal for me would be to have the Supra auto and have something else as manual - purpose built to be manual, i.e. FK8/FL5 Type R or a BRZ/FRS with a blower.

 

[vlad]

Man the manual hate is crazy ? Get whatever you prefer, but I'll check back in 10 years when they are worth 50% over an AT

It’d be crazy to buy the slower version of a car in the hopes that the next guy will want it a little more.

I’m not convinced the manual will be worth more in the future, since people who own them say it’s not very good (even in this thread). I’m not sure that the people who will be buying these in 10-15 years will have the nostalgia for manuals that current buyers have. In the 90s and 00s, autos sucked and so manuals were the default for enthusiast cars. Over the last 10-15 years autos have gotten pretty good, so I don’t think people currently in their teens and 20s have the same mindset regarding autos vs manuals.

 

[6mt]

I only purchased the Supra because it had the manual. Honestly never had really ever seen one. I owned a C6 and C7 with manuals and sold my C8 with my "White New Balance shoes", since it just felt like I was driving a video game. The Supra is more nimble and feels much more like a true sports car of the early 911's. I have several car's and my favorite is my 1975 TR6 since it is old school. I hit the on ramp at 35 MPH in the TR6 and it is on the edge.....the Supra needs to be at 65 MPH before it is ready to break loose. To me it is all about the experience!

 

[BA9092]

It would be interesting to see a poll between Porsche owners regarding manual vs PDK since it's nearly the perfect automatic.

Heck, even the vastly improved Nismo Z over the base 400Z is only offered in the 9-speed auto. Go figure.

Sure, there are the "are you crazy?" scenarios like choosing the auto over the manual like in a Miata or BRZ/86.

But most high performance manufacturers have spoken - unless you shift like Ayrton Senna, you're better off with the auto. Lol. I just wished everything was offered in both flavors like in the 80s and 90s.

Luckily, we've finally been blessed with the Supra offering both. I don't think one is better than the other and there is no wrong choice here.

I'm VERY happy that there are still manual lovers! Even my 18 year old nephew drives a manual 350Z, so it's not dying with each generation just yet.

 

[Bug2th]

Ugh. I had a manual on order and would have had it in a month - premium - no markup. Then got a message about a 22CF. Checked it out and bought it instead. Got a 98GSX that’s fun to drive when I need a manual fix (odd but I don’t drive it much now - huh)

monkeys driving, not one with the car - yawn. Need my head examined - I’m gonna cry now. Just people putting down others to justify their insecure decisions and feel better about themselves.

 

[ColonelAdama]

It’d be crazy to buy the slower version of a car in the hopes that the next guy will want it a little more.

I’m not convinced the manual will be worth more in the future, since people who own them say it’s not very good (even in this thread). I’m not sure that the people who will be buying these in 10-15 years will have the nostalgia for manuals that current buyers have. In the 90s and 00s, autos sucked and so manuals were the default for enthusiast cars. Over the last 10-15 years autos have gotten pretty good, so I don’t think people currently in their teens and 20s have the same mindset regarding autos vs manuals.

slower is all relative. My car is faster than any stock AT car, and there are some MTs that will smoke 95% of AT cars on the road.

You buy houses in fast-growing areas because its a better investment. I buy cars that I believe will remain desirable for decades to come. I'd probably call the MT "less of a liability" rather than "investment" ? But the sentiment holds. Its not like I'm saying "keep the miles low for the next guy". Its a "these things are gonna get hard to come by".

I am certain the market for MTs will exist and possibly strengthen as ICE cars are phased out. but most importantly, I JUST PREFER TO DRIVE MANUAL! It makes my mostly boring commute much more exciting. And I'm proud to have voted with my wallet to keep them alive.

btw, The MT in this car is fine. The shifter is excellent, the clutch is too vague (CDV delete?), and the rev match software leaves some to be desired but its certainly fixable and still above average.

 

[razorlab]

I purchased whichever transmission aligned with the oil I use.

 

[FuzzyRev]

I've put almost 10,000 miles on each version. They both kick ass, but definitely have slightly different flavors, and most will walk away with a personal preference for one or the other. It's fine whatever you choose.

The only wrench I'll throw into the endless debate is this..The ZF8 being "quicker" actually has everything to do with the ratios themselves, and practically nothing to do with how quickly it can shift between them. So the old point of the shift speed holding it up is mostly untrue.

Enjoy the drive everyone!

 

[vlad]

slower is all relative. My car is faster than any stock AT car, and there are some MTs that will smoke 95% of AT cars on the road.

You buy houses in fast-growing areas because its a better investment. I buy cars that I believe will remain desirable for decades to come. I'd probably call the MT "less of a liability" rather than "investment" ? But the sentiment holds. Its not like I'm saying "keep the miles low for the next guy". Its a "these things are gonna get hard to come by".

I am certain the market for MTs will exist and possibly strengthen as ICE cars are phased out. but most importantly, I JUST PREFER TO DRIVE MANUAL! It makes my mostly boring commute much more exciting. And I'm proud to have voted with my wallet to keep them alive.

btw, The MT in this car is fine. The shifter is excellent, the clutch is too vague (CDV delete?), and the rev match software leaves some to be desired but its certainly fixable and still above average.

Are you saying a modified car can be faster than a stock car? What’s to keep someone with an auto from doing the same mods as you? But without the clutch issues that the manual is known for

I don’t think the market for manuals will disappear anytime soon. I also don’t think the manual Supra will be significantly more desirable than the auto in 10 years.

 

[ColonelAdama]

I also don’t think the manual Supra will be significantly more desire than the auto in 10 years.

I realize they had crappy autos compared to ZF8, but literally every low-volume sports car ever made 10+ years ago is worth considerably more in manual.

But like I said, that is not a top priority for me anyway. Its just nice to know that if "life happens", I'm not 20k in the hole.

BTW no clutch issues at all making well over factory torque (500+).

 

[Natedawg]

Man the manual hate is crazy ? Get whatever you prefer, but I'll check back in 10 years when they are worth 50% over an AT

Because ultimately, if only straight line speed matters to you, get ready to be clapped by the EV generation

People will be looking for driver involvement in future generations when every EV self-drives and does 2 second 0-60s. lol

it will be interesting to see the future.
I think the newer autos 2023+ are going to be fairly rare and will hold there value well. Majority of cars coming out are manual trans. Prob by end of production say it will be 70/30 auto/ manual. Right now there's prob a $3-5k price difference in the market manuals being more.

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