All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

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True. We've been waiting for a new Z a long time. And making it affordable is key to enthusiasts.

However, I'm playing on the mentality that, for example, the C6 Vette was "fairly new" when the C7 came out, as was the C7 when the C8 came out. Nissan gave us the 350Z then the 370Z, then...wait...wait...wait... an "all-new" (not really) 400Z!

Granted, I didn't think we'd see a next-generation BRZ/86 either. So, Kudos to Toyota and Subaru. I mean, still no turbo, but at least they weren't killed off.

I remember like 5-ish years ago hearing plenty of rumors of the next generation Z being completely new along with a Mercedes-Benz partnership offering an AMG engine. Just like BMW partnered with Toyota. Now, THAT would've been, as Paris Hilton would say, "hot!" Lol. Sure, the pricing would probably be above the current estimates of mid-30's to mid-40's, but I think it would've been a formidable opponent to the 3.0 Supra ($50-$60k?)

Surely, we'll all have to drive the new Z to make an honest verdict. Seeing the yellow pre-production model everywhere is hardly a done deal - for some. (Yes, I know there are plenty of rich car folk who purchase a car before they even drive it or even before the first model ever leaves the assembly line.) We'll soon be flooded with reviews from performance shops, auto journalists and of course wealthy social media influencers with plenty of click-bait to go along. I'm sure we'll see plenty of love/hate for it as we did for the Supra.

I will definitely want to drive one when it comes out. But based on my history of owning a 350Z and a 370Z and the underpinnings of the coming model, I think it may match the 3.0 Supra in terms of performance, but definitely not refinement. (This is where M-B involvement would've benefited.)
Having owned multiple MB products Im glad that its not a reskin SLK :p I feel that a number of them drive like an old mans car and wait until the warranty runs out :/
 

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You can briefly see a Supra roll by.

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dang the supra looks a lot better to be honest, way more exotic looking imo. Z still lookin kinda basic with the styling. Rear end is cool but looks like a mustang. doesn't look as timeless as they were going for I think. Idk. I'm still not sold. But I'm not really in the market for another Japanese branded car so it's only my personal thoughts in the end.
 

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I love the rear, very nice retro vibes wtih modern touch. The side is also cool.
Front seemed... ok at best at the video. And then the Supra rolls by with its "overstyled" exotic looks and suddenly Z looks bland as hell. I dunno, I like some drama to the styling in the sports car, thats why I'm bored with things like M2, I prefer wild Civic TypeR to Golf GTi too.
Still, you lukcy in the US to have a new option on the market!
 

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Must have after seeing it in person.
Seems to be the verdict everyone comes to once they see it in person...I wonder what other car went thru this recently :hmm:

Might be a reskinned 350/370 but so long as the chassis is improved (which rumors are it is), new proven engine is in there, a manual option, and cost is kept down; I am interested. Might not be BMW quality interior but I'm looking for a modern sports coupe for the low not a daily driver which is what most 2 seaters are for most. Toyota left a lot of enthusiast with an appetite for the type of car the Nissan Z is seeming to be.
 

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True. We've been waiting for a new Z a long time. And making it affordable is key to enthusiasts.

However, I'm playing on the mentality that, for example, the C6 Vette was "fairly new" when the C7 came out, as was the C7 when the C8 came out. Nissan gave us the 350Z then the 370Z, then...wait...wait...wait... an "all-new" (not really) 400Z!

Granted, I didn't think we'd see a next-generation BRZ/86 either. So, Kudos to Toyota and Subaru. I mean, still no turbo, but at least they weren't killed off.

I remember like 5-ish years ago hearing plenty of rumors of the next generation Z being completely new along with a Mercedes-Benz partnership offering an AMG engine. Just like BMW partnered with Toyota. Now, THAT would've been, as Paris Hilton would say, "hot!" Lol. Sure, the pricing would probably be above the current estimates of mid-30's to mid-40's, but I think it would've been a formidable opponent to the 3.0 Supra ($50-$60k?)

Surely, we'll all have to drive the new Z to make an honest verdict. Seeing the yellow pre-production model everywhere is hardly a done deal - for some. (Yes, I know there are plenty of rich car folk who purchase a car before they even drive it or even before the first model ever leaves the assembly line.) We'll soon be flooded with reviews from performance shops, auto journalists and of course wealthy social media influencers with plenty of click-bait to go along. I'm sure we'll see plenty of love/hate for it as we did for the Supra.

I will definitely want to drive one when it comes out. But based on my history of owning a 350Z and a 370Z and the underpinnings of the coming model, I think it may match the 3.0 Supra in terms of performance, but definitely not refinement. (This is where M-B involvement would've benefited.)
when you say “refinement” what do you mean? What will the new Z car not have that the Supra does?
 

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when you say “refinement” what do you mean? What will the new Z car not have that the Supra does?
A modern chassis?

Edit: To be clear, I don't "hate" Nissan or the new Z. It will be nice if the Z is a success. I'm just contemplating the internet consensus that a refresh of a 20 year old design is going to be a world beater. If the Z is genuinely great... fantastic. There will be some of the same grumblings as there were for the A90 Supra: Too cramped... not enough storage... horrible rear visibility... unexciting interior. The difference will be in the engine and the manual trans. It's too late in the age of internal combustion for any blank-paper new two seaters. This will be a 'last hurrah'.
 
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Obviously I haven't, and you're speculating as well. And I'm okay with that. :thumbsup:
 

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dang the supra looks a lot better to be honest, way more exotic looking imo. Z still lookin kinda basic with the styling. Rear end is cool but looks like a mustang. doesn't look as timeless as they were going for I think. Idk. I'm still not sold. But I'm not really in the market for another Japanese branded car so it's only my personal thoughts in the end.
That’s exactly what I thought. I think the new Z looks slick but then the Supra drove by and just had 10xs more style. No knock on the Z tho, can’t wait to see them on the road. I love the rear but still hate how the front looks. It’s just exciting seeing another option launching soon.
 

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when you say “refinement” what do you mean? What will the new Z car not have that the Supra does?
A lot of the interior (especially) bits and pieces appear to be carried over from the 370Z. I recall lots of reviews complaining about how plasticky everything was in that Z. I had no gripes with mine, but when priced between $35k and $45k, I'm sure the cost-cutting will be obvious when compared to the Supra.

LED displays in dashboards and infotainment have gotten significantly more affordable for automakers since the 2008 introduction of the 370Z. We've already seen that in its cool interior. However, hopefully there'll be improvements in structural rigidity which will make it more like the Supra than the BRZ/86 twins. We'll just have to wait and see.
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