It has been a fantastic but short ride...

[Grady60]

I picked up my 2021 GR Supra 3.0 Premium in April. Every day since it has been an absolute joy to drive. Unfortunately it is time to say goodbye..

Having been offered $1000 more than what the dealer charged me brand new, I am trading it in for a Tesla Model 3 Performance. My expected delivery is September 18 - September 28.

It would be cool to have both, but that's not a possibility at this time.

If you want a reliable hybrid, but not a Prius, why not a hybrid Camry or Avalon?
Almost every car I have owned has been a Toyota, and they have all been super reliable. It seems like every time I read about a Tesla, its something bad. Shoddy workmanship, or shoddy parts. I know this won’t mean anything to almost anybody but me, but it pisses me off that if you want any color other than white, you have to pay $1000. Plus, I think Musk is NUTS

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[digicidal]

If you want a reliable hybrid, but not a Prius, why not a hybrid Camry or Avalon?
Almost every car I have owned has been a Toyota, and they have all been super reliable. It seems like every time I read about a Tesla, its something bad. Shoddy workmanship, or shoddy parts. I know this won’t mean anything to almost anybody but me, but it pisses me off that if you want any color other than white, you have to pay $1000. Plus, I think Musk is NUTS

I feel the same (re:Tesla) but I think part of that is inherent bias rearing it's head. Especially in the press I feel like there's a ton of "hoping for failure" going on. So I guess no more biased than they are on basically every topic then. I had to pay for Nitro yellow as well so I won't fault them on paint premiums.

I've also had great luck with the Toyota brand (but far less with the Lexus side of things) and it seems that they're not the sure bet they once were in that regard. Like most cars though, the more basic and popular the specific model... the more likely it is to be bulletproof compared to optioned and/or performance models.

If every LC500 owner needs a $5000 recall service... it will cost Toyota far less money than if every Camry or Corolla needs a $20 recall.

 

[Nick Fury]

Test drove a Model X P100D a year ago...for a vehicle that weighs over 5Klbs, that thing was a rocket. As long as you were conservative on the pedal, the range was pretty accurate. Range on those aren't enough for me to take the plunge now, so it's ICE until the majority of their vehicles are in the 400-500 mile range.

 

[clockwork]

Range on those aren't enough for me to take the plunge now, so it's ICE until the majority of their vehicles are in the 400-500 mile range.

But why? Most cars don't have a 400-500 mile range.

For me personally, the Supra is my daily and I have only put on ~1589 miles since April. There are days I don't drive it, and when I do it's not like I am taking 100 mile or several hundred mile trips on a regular basis.

I guess I don't understand. Especially since you can plug in the car at night and wake up charged.

 

[Nick Fury]

But why? Most cars don't have a 400-500 mile range.

For me personally, the Supra is my daily and I have only put on ~1589 miles since April. There are days I don't drive it, and when I do it's not like I am taking 100 mile or several hundred mile trips on a regular basis.

I guess I don't understand. Especially since you can plug in the car at night and wake up charged.

Peace of mind.

Those charging times have to come down, as well. Cool if I'm charging up at the house, not so much when I'm at a charging station while traveling.

 

[romanLegion9574]

But why? Most cars don't have a 400-500 mile range.

It's a pretty ambitious estimate to be honest, basically optimal driving techniques: holding constant speed, windows up, AC off, no radio, etc -- sounds like driving a base Mitsubishi Mirage. That being said, even the Supra can get over 400 miles to the tank if you leave it in comfort mode on the highway -- I was getting 33+ mpg going 80 through a lot of Oregon.

I guess I don't understand. Especially since you can plug in the car at night and wake up charged.

Sure supercharger charging stations are good, but a regular socket isn't fast enough. My apartment complex was quoted $6k a single unit for charging stations to be installed. Also, if I'm going on a trip of any sort, I don't want to be planning around where I can stop to charge my car, which is still a longer stop than a 5 minute splash and dash for gasoline.

We're still not at the point where EVs have enough supporting infrastructure to make them the comfortable norm.

 

[clockwork]

Sure supercharger charging stations are good, but a regular socket isn't fast enough. My apartment complex was quoted $6k a single unit for charging stations to be installed. Also, if I'm going on a trip of any sort, I don't want to be planning around where I can stop to charge my car, which is still a longer stop than a 5 minute splash and dash for gasoline.

It's very subjective. Personally, I am not driving 250+ miles without stopping to relieve myself and grab a bite to eat. In that instance I can kill two birds with one stone and it's a non-issue.

The apartment thing is a little bit more different. I own my own house and was quoted $800 for the charger install. That doesn't included the Wall Charger unit (which is $500 but my utility company gives you a $400 incentive, not to mention you get a 30% federal tax incentive for the costs). On a 60 amp breaker the Wall Connector will utilize 48 amps and charge the Model 3 at around 44 miles per hour. That's pretty good if you do it at night.

As it is situational, all I can say is that for me it seems more than fine. That won't always be true for others.

 

[puzzled]

Completely agree about the lacking charging stations and infrastructure. What to do if you end up in a flood zone where millions of people are out of electricity. How are you going to charge? a USB solar charger?

 

[clockwork]

What to do if you end up in a flood zone where millions of people are out of electricity. How are you going to charge? a USB solar charger?

I don't know man, we don't have that here. From what I learned, all we have in WI is cheese and waterslides.

 

[gcmak]

1) Right now our household has just the Supra and my girlfriend's SUV. With winter coming the original plan since we both work from home was to share the SUV and store the Supra. Although that would work, I decided that I would prefer something I can drive year round (already ordered winter wheels/tires). I did not want the Supra to see snow at all, even though I have driven other performance RWD cars in the winter with proper wheels/tires.

2) There is something about the instant torque and acceleration that the Tesla provides, without any of the drama and noise. I rented one via Turo while on vacation in L.A. a few weeks ago and I loved it. I had no plans to ever modify or track the Supra, and for a similar cost the M3P actually outperforms it while being a bit less ostentatious. I find that oddly appealing.

Your #2 statement is the important one in your decision making criteria. I have a P3D and Supra. But unlike you, my Supra is focused on car control/HPDE and weekender. The P3D is a great place to be on the daily and incredibly reliable with little to no maintenance. Enjoy your Tesla and forget those trips to the pump.
Just make sure you have a means to charge at home, as you mentioned winter...you'll want to have a full charge before you leave and preconditioned cabin/battery.

 

[Nick Fury]

I don't know man, we don't have that here. From what I learned, all we have in WI is cheese and waterslides.

And mosquitoes. Lots of mosquitoes.

 

[clockwork]

Just make sure you have a means to charge at home, as you mentioned winter...you'll want to have a full charge before you leave and preconditioned cabin/battery.

Our garage is heated, so I didn't think it was too much of a concern.

 

[gcmak]

Completely agree about the lacking charging stations and infrastructure. What to do if you end up in a flood zone where millions of people are out of electricity. How are you going to charge? a USB solar charger?

His girl has an SUV according to his post.
If he's in a natural disaster/area/zone - even in California where we have power shut offs for a variety of reasons - there's solutions like backup generators, solar battery power storage solutions etc. Does that all cost money? Sure, but it's proven to work.

All that said, it's fine if this isn't for you but you need people who are open to trying something different in order to pave the way towards driving costs down and creating solutions that actually work for a wider variety of people in the future.

 

[gcmak]

Our garage is heated, so I didn't think it was too much of a concern.

At least your new model has a heat pump. You'll be saving a lot more juice in the winter than I do with my older resistive heater. Track mode is a hoot too...its truly a video game.

 

[Suggs.OR]

I think in Wisconsin they only have cheeze and water slides.

You forgot beer

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