High turnover on MKV Supras?

[Escapist]

I'm most likely selling mine this year, mainly because I haven't used it as much as I thought I would; I'm almost at 12k miles and I've had the thing for two years lol. I'm primarily a motorcycle guy and the MKV is my almost equally impractical daily driver.

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[GMsuperfan]

I am getting rid of my 2021 Supra 3.0 premium in phantom matte tomorrow. I bought it new in April of 2021 and it's got 4,500 miles. My reasons for getting rid of it are below, but I don't want people to think I just hate the car or something- that's absolutely not the case. This is, in part, a therapeutic post for me - lol.

Primary reason:

• Car is burning a quart of oil every 1,000-1,500 miles and increases the likelihood of issues down the road. This isn't a problem on the 2020 models.
• No one at Toyota dealerships really knows how to work on the Supra; they have 1-2 mechanics per shop who get a 3 day crash course on the BMW vehicle. This can make scheduling difficult and still leaves you with a person who seldom works on this brand of car.
• They supposedly have a TSB arriving soon, however I'm not interested in having my brand new car's engine get opened up, period, let alone by people who only have academic knowledge of working on the vehicle.
• It's already been a problem getting someone to work on the Supra at multiple Toyota dealers for me. It's going to be far worse when production ends in a few years. I can't imagine trying to get someone at Toyota work on this 10 years from now if this was a vehicle I planned to keep long term, let alone them continuing to pay for special training for 1-2 techs to rarely work on one.

Other reasons and perhaps coping/justification for getting rid of it:

• I've always been a V8 guy and this was my first 6 cyl sportscar. I miss the rumbling sound and bucking of a cammed V8.
• The car looks less unique and more like a Z4 to me the longer I own it. The fake vents are starting to annoy me, especially as they chalk and dry out from the sun between me having to recondition them.
• The car rides a bit stiff, even in comfort mode, which is of course the nature of the beast. I think it's particularly tough for the pothole ridden Northeastern US roads.
• While I have ample interior space at 6'2, the car is still small and does feel like a deathtrap. This past Thanksgiving me and my wife got t-boned by a drunk driver in our F150 and it got me thinking whether or not I'd have been alive had this happened in the Supra (no).
• The normal headlights don't give great vision distance at night time, which can be frustrating or even scary if you are driving at highway speeds on a road you are unfamiliar with.
• My wife hates riding in the car as a passenger and hates driving it, lol
• The tuner's car is still basically untuneable over a year later and the oil issues it's having made me not want to mod it anyway.

I will miss my Supra for sure though. It has great acceleration and handling, it frequently turned heads and the interior was probably the best of any sportscar I've owned.

I can understand your sentiment here, especially on the burning oil issue and not being able to be tuned.....i'm there with you.

However, i've had a 2011 camaro 2SS with heads/cam and currently have a 68 camaro w/ the L78 396 w/ an LS6 cam, headers, full exhaust, and 4 speed, it's fun and turns heads but is a completely different experience than the supra. I love them both for different reasons but they are completely opposite ends of the spectrum. The camaro requires constant attention and for as many cubes as it offers, is slow AF compared to modern day 2 seaters. The camaro is good for car shows, noise, burnouts, and cruising...that's about it. Of course, it's an investment as well, but who knows what that market will look like in the next 10 years.

I'm sure most folks here would say that they will probably take the Supra to a BMW shop/specialist after warranty term is up.

On the headlights, auto-high beams works amazing and i've driven some dark country roads and hadn't thought that it's a problem.

Other than that, i think the majority of your feedback is similar to what you will find with most modern day 2 seater sports cars/coupes.

Good luck with whatever you get into next, as long as it's not a Mopar! haha.... ;-)

 

[slytherx]

I can understand your sentiment here, especially on the burning oil issue and not being able to be tuned.....i'm there with you.

However, i've had a 2011 camaro 2SS with heads/cam and currently have a 68 camaro w/ the L78 396 w/ an LS6 cam, headers, full exhaust, and 4 speed, it's fun and turns heads but is a completely different experience than the supra. I love them both for different reasons but they are completely opposite ends of the spectrum. The camaro requires constant attention and for as many cubes as it offers, is slow AF compared to modern day 2 seaters. The camaro is good for car shows, noise, burnouts, and cruising...that's about it. Of course, it's an investment as well, but who knows what that market will look like in the next 10 years.

I'm sure most folks here would say that they will probably take the Supra to a BMW shop/specialist after warranty term is up.

On the headlights, auto-high beams works amazing and i've driven some dark country roads and hadn't thought that it's a problem.

Other than that, i think the majority of your feedback is similar to what you will find with most modern day 2 seater sports cars/coupes.

Good luck with whatever you get into next, as long as it's not a Mopar! haha.... ;-)

Thanks man. My last toy was a Pontiac G8 GT stage1 intake/headers/full exhaust. Before that I had a cammed LS1 Camaro (same mods). I completely agree- the Supra was a much different experience and as far as performance driving was concerned, absolutely superior and fun. I couldn't daily drive it though since I prefer a more comfortable ride and found myself driving my F150 and 250 far more often. If I go back to a sportscar I'll probably wind up going GT. A true sportscar I just won't drive often enough. I've got my eye on the LC500, which is right up that alley, but I'm waiting for them to update the infotainment.

 

[GMsuperfan]

Thanks man. My last toy was a Pontiac G8 GT stage1 intake/headers/full exhaust. Before that I had a cammed LS1 Camaro (same mods). I completely agree- the Supra was a much different experience and as far as performance driving was concerned, absolutely superior and fun. I couldn't daily drive it though since I prefer a more comfortable ride and found myself driving my F150 and 250 far more often. If I go back to a sportscar I'll probably wind up going GT. I've got my eye on the LC500, which is right up that alley, but I'm waiting for them to update the infotainment.

Heck yeah man, happy hunting!

 

[B58_ hwAyaq]

• Demographic that stretched their finances to get into the car then realize they probably shouldn’t have done that.
• Porsche-level wealth demographic that wanted to try the car but ended up walking away because it wasn’t a fit for them or they found something new and shiny.
• Dream car demographic that had a rude awakening about the impracticality of a 2-seater sports car.
• YouTubers. This is probably a really small portion, IMO.
• Demographic that knows very well what their plans are for the car and either complete the process/build or lose/change interest along the way (or are offered a great deal to get out of the car because of a hot used car market…)

I’d be willing the bet the MKV turnover is exacerbated by a combination of bullets 2 and 5.

 

[Cptnslo]

For me the only reason it’s even crossed my mind is because I have a large pup and the I want another dog which is not an option with it being a 2 seater only. If my girlfriend comes and visits and we want to go to the dog park it’s a process of taking her, then my pup and vice versa on the way home. I LOVE my mkv and I’ve fully accepted that I will not find another car that performs anywhere near as well at this price point which is why part of me wants to wait for the Corolla GR since I’m not sure if I could live with another fwd although I do like the looks and sound of the new elantra N

 

[jliuod]

For me it is the seller market that incentivized me to sell. I recently sold a 2018 Toyota Highlander with 30K miles to a dealer for a bit less than what I paid for 3 years ago. I also just sold my 2021 BMW M240I / 6 speed manual with 9k miles for exactly what I paid for(otd total)14 months ago.

However, buying a car, new or used is no joy at this time. I replaced my Highlander with a 2021 Honda Ridgeline. I had to be patient and really shopped around to just get one a tad under MSRP. I am eventually going to replace my M240I with a Supra manual(supposed to come out later this year or next). I have already put a deposit down. Will see how long it will take.

 

[puzzled]

I'm most likely selling mine this year, mainly because I haven't used it as much as I thought I would; I'm almost at 12k miles and I've had the thing for two years lol. I'm primarily a motorcycle guy and the MKV is my almost equally impractical daily driver.

That’s 10k over what I put on the car in 2 years!

 

[Supra Guy]

I think a lot of them are from flipping. You could get new 21 Supras for under sticker in the beginning of 21 compared to later on. I mean why is there so many 21 Supras with so few miles like a few hundreds or just like 1K miles. Who buys a car and drives it so little only to sell it again.

 

[jliuod]

I think a lot of them are from flipping. You could get new 21 Supras for under sticker in the beginning of 21 compared to later on. I mean why is there so many 21 Supras with so few miles like a few hundreds or just like 1K miles. Who buys a car and drives it so little only to sell it again.

I lot of those cars that are available could have oil consumption issue. If I owned one of those cars, I would be selling it as well.

 

[Travelingsoldier]

I lot of those cars that are available could have oil consumption issue. If I owned one of those cars, I would be selling it as well.

Change to heavier oil and carry on

 

[gcmak]

Forgot about this thread. Should mention I did end up selling my Supra over Presidents day weekend. I'll actually be stepping back into the 86/BRZ twins (but the new generation).
I appreciate the helpful individuals on here.

For me, it came down to two major areas - this being a weekend/track car for me.
1. The weight just can't be hidden, and with it comes a different way of driving the car that I personally don't prefer.
2. The threshold limits of grip and the outright speed/pace of the car forces me to strongly consider full safety gear. Not a route I want to go down financially.

Zero regrets owning the Supra. It's a special car - full stop. I'd keep it if there were a 3rd spot available for it.

 

[Vroomin350]

Forgot about this thread. Should mention I did end up selling my Supra over Presidents day weekend. I'll actually be stepping back into the 86/BRZ twins (but the new generation).
I appreciate the helpful individuals on here.

For me, it came down to two major areas - this being a weekend/track car for me.
1. The weight just can't be hidden, and with it comes a different way of driving the car that I personally don't prefer.
2. The threshold limits of grip and the outright speed/pace of the car forces me to strongly consider full safety gear. Not a route I want to go down financially.

Zero regrets owning the Supra. It's a special car - full stop. I'd keep it if there were a 3rd spot available for it.

something you said which makes me wonder, when you say the weight, meaning car feels heavy? Is this a general consensus around here?

I haven’t noticed but did think it was odd when my wife drove the car and mentioned the same thing (mind you we have a C7 grand sport) never thought she would compare them in weight feeling.

 

[Travelingsoldier]

something you said which makes me wonder, when you say the weight, meaning car feels heavy? Is this a general consensus around here?

I haven’t noticed but did think it was odd when my wife drove the car and mentioned the same thing (mind you we have a C7 grand sport) never thought she would compare them in weight feeling.

The supra is light (3.0 owner). It’s not the same as a brz/frs of course. But the power makes up for it dramatically. Supra > twins all day long.

 

[gcmak]

something you said which makes me wonder, when you say the weight, meaning car feels heavy? Is this a general consensus around here?

I haven’t noticed but did think it was odd when my wife drove the car and mentioned the same thing (mind you we have a C7 grand sport) never thought she would compare them in weight feeling.

Weight transfer in all directions. Having FLCA and Caster bushings helped to remove the slop from the front-end and make turn-in much more eager (as an example of one change), but when you brake or deal with esses on a track, the transitions are far more noticeable - despite having more tire (physics). You can, of course, spend more money and time on mods to build a Supra to the likes of Jackie Ding or Will Kwok - but that's definitely not for everyone either.

Some who have driven my Supra say its just because of how far back they sit in the car. So it might all be down to perception. Either way, it's not my preference - which is not the same as stating, "it's bad".

My other car is a Model 3 Performance and I've taken that a bit on track and on autoX. It's 4,200 pounds. It feels heavier on transitions but it 'seems' more eager to change directions than the Supra. And similar to the comment on power, yes the power does make up for the weight in many cases, however, the driving style with these types of cars is not how I prefer to drive. Are they also fun and meaningful lessons to learn like driving momentum type cars? Yes.

Again, no regrets...these things you have to kind of learn the hard way by experiencing them for yourself.

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