Cars are so subjective. I think the 86 is rubbish. I drove one a few years ago and apart from noticing how cheap the interior was, it put me to sleep. Granted it was an auto.. but still. More controversially, I’ve driven a Miata a number of times (really wanting to like it) but I hated it. I think it’s way underpowered and very overrated. Sure, it feels fast going slow but beyond that, like the 86, it’s just a cheap feeling car.
Because that's all they got. The numbers prove they're full of shit, so they claim some subjective nonsense which their car's fanbase hopelessly clings to.
They're fun in the way that you can wring their necks and stay relatively legal. It takes 37 years to get to 60, so you can beat the hell out of them without fear of losing your license. They're very safe in the way you have to do something REALLY stupid in order to upset the car, because they're so low in power and torque. As soon as you stop doing that, they're boring.
For some of us, driver feel is hugely important. It's the first thing I look for. I just sold a car I only had for 3mos because, though it was a beast at the track, it didn't feel right for me.
Baldy goose feather has spatial issues with respect to geometry lol. Yes no bias or setup there. He is a PAID 'influencer" - zero credibility!Nissan paid quite a bit.
I pay for a new alignment on each new car before I drive it off the property of the dealer. Every time I have been correct. It was not set very well. The alignments set at the factor are done to reach an acceptable point to get it out of the factory.
He needed to specify what made the Z so good as the 'drivers car' or not be paid. IF you want feel and feedback I have a nice road bicycle that offers even more than the Morgan or Lotus lol
I feel sorry for Mark. He was obviously neglected as a child. If only his parents had bought him one of these:
Like many of us, I too, came from a modded 86 (Jackson Racing SC) that was a lot of fun, but no where near the overall class of the Supra. Out of the box, the Supra is an amazing platform. And - for the record - I whipped my 86 at HPDE, AX, and street at many levels of mod from stock to header + E85 to SC. I loved the MT and (comparatively)lightweight nature , but it isn’t god’s gift to sports cars. Just a very fun sporting car for the $.I traded in a boosted 86 with 300whp for my Supra and I must admit that I loved it and loved it even more after coilovers, brakes, wheels and tires and the turbo upgrade. With the Supra just tweaking the suspension with springs, roll bars and alignment made it perfect for me and I don't ever feel like I've made the wrong decision. The only real upside of the 86 was the weight but it's more front heavy in balance(55/45) than the Supra thanks to it having a cab forward sports car setup which I didn't like. The Supra to me feels like a bigger Mx5 RF with gobs of power, more refinement and a better suspension.
Your opinion, of course. ??
Of course. That's why we have things like lap times, dyno's, brake tests, 1/4mile, 0-60, etc to take personal opinion out of it. And that's exactly the whole point. The Supra IS the better car, but instead of acknowledging that simple fact, we get stupid shit with a trunk (because that's why we buy sports cars, to move trunks) and desperate opinionated crap to justify bias.
