The intial BMW Z4 review sounds like it is good in handling...though heavy; but powerful. The handling dynamics are there, thanks to Tada-san.
I think most people (including myself) knew perfectly well of Toyota & BMW’s joint venture. I think what most of us didn’t know or realize up to this point, is just how much similarities the two platforms shared. Honestly, I was thrilled when I heard about the BMW partnership, because I knew a good chassis and exotic materials were probably going to be used (not talking about drivetrains). Yet, as more and more rumors, leaks, etc... about the Supra emerged, I (like many others) feel disappointed because it became more evident that it was more marketing than engineering. No offense to Tada San and the Toyota engineers, but sometimes when corporate throws you lemons, you gotta know how to make delicious lemonade! Again, I am talking up to now....so anything goes past this point is unknown territory. Now, rumors of Yamaha’s involvement have me re-thinking this car....but, it’s probably not true, so back to drinking.
So Yamaha is involved in this Toyota-BMW collaboration? I think Yamaha is just responsible for the sound of the engine, just like it did with the sound of the Lexus LFA.
I mean to be fair, they are engineers not Marketing, and depending on which division of Toyota is doing marketing you may have something totally different. For example, Toyota Japan and SCION market the 86 differently they were similarities but when it comes down to it there wasn't a lot that was similar. I believe Toyota Europe has been leading the marketing for the A90. Also, Tada san was retired after the 86, he came back just to help make this car and train the next generation of engineers. So I mean give them a break ya? also wouldnt be surprised if Yamaha is involved in some processes.
What are the differences between 86 in Japan vs. those sold worldwide?
I totally understand what you're saying and it's a valid point. But Toyota has hardly divulged any information themselves and that's key here. I am also seeing alot more bmw than I'm comfortable with for example the interior. But if that means they spend more budget on what really matters then by all means let that be a bmw interior. Regarding the Yamaha thing, I have personally been told by someone very credible and from what I believe, close to Tada San that Yamaha has a role in designing the motor. I'm happy to provide proof of conversion if necessary.
Oh lots! there's more trim levels in Japan and meanwhile say in the US for the longest time till recently we only got a Mono spec FRS and 86
Oh I get that. Toyota usually offers a lot of trim levels in Japan, regardless of model. There are lots of options. I’m just concerned about the worldwide offering, as Toyota usually has simpler approach to this, just like by offering 2 variants, either a 2.0-liter or 3.0-liter and that’s it.
Yes, same engine and transmission, a 6MT, and a 6AT. Just trim levels like they add options for different color of interior, special seats, head unit, Brembo brakes, wing, spoiler, stiffer springs, etc.
I think the biggest advantage of the Japanese trims are the RC/Lightweight versions they get. You can buy an 86 direct from factory with ~100lbs of weight savings, for less money than a typical base model.
I doubt it even though it is Japan and even though this is a Toyota. They'll get the GR sure, but I bet it will only be the highest trims that get shipped there. We are in unprecedented times as Japan's automakers haven't really had any of their sports cars built outside of their country. The NSX might have been the first JDM nameplate to make the change and if you look at its price in Japan compared to the US, it is pretty scary.. I get MSRPs have a lot of factors behind it but a difference of $150 K USD vs $210 K USD between two highly developed countries is pretty astounding.
Yes, an 86 without those bulky seats, heavy head unit, and other stuff that make the car heavier. You’re basically just buting the car; not the whole package and stuff.
