Toyota Supra rumored to be offered with 2.0L turbo 4-cylinder base model

[Spilner]

No more manual in the 3 series. Now even BMW, the last bastion of the manual trans in the US, is officially auto only. Miata will be the last car in the US with a manual, fighting to the very end.

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[DevonK]

The revised engine in the Miata is getting rave reviews, with its sweet 7500 redline. Definitely an alternative for me if the Supra turns out to be a mega-bucks special.

 

[SVHO]

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[SVHO]

The revised engine in the Miata is getting rave reviews, with its sweet 7500 redline. Definitely an alternative for me if the Supra turns out to be a mega-bucks special.

Currently own a 2016 ND. Just read rave reviews on the engine modification for 2019.

 

[justbake]

No more manual in the 3 series. Now even BMW, the last bastion of the manual trans in the US, is officially auto only. Miata will be the last car in the US with a manual, fighting to the very end.

I cant believe they dropped the manuals in the 3 series, even the Genesis G70 4 cylinder will have a manual option so there must be so market research that indicates people want it in entry-level luxury vehicles

 

[Chikane]

I cant believe they dropped the manuals in the 3 series, even the Genesis G70 4 cylinder will have a manual option so there must be so market research that indicates people want it in entry-level luxury vehicles

That's very true Manual should be offered in entry level Luxurycars. However, Market research points into very low numbers for manual in the luxury market.It mostly only is just there to appease a small number of enthusiast. I believe if my research into the G70 is correct (so I'm not 100%) the take rate for their manual is 10% and this is the 10% of people who are expected to buy the Genesis G70 in the lowest trim RWD where the Manual offered(most are expected to buy a mid-level 4 cylinder AWD around 60% of buyers) I also like to add that the Manual is from the old Genesis coupe from 2008(which was probably developed way before 2008, it's old)

So even if manual is offered it doesn't mean that you're getting the best stuff. IIRC the Genesis coupe's turbo 4 with manual didn't have the best reliability either or it was just the overall car. I'm with you and lots of other though on the manual should be offered. But I'm also with the if anyone is going to offer a manual it should be a good one it should match the car. A good example is the 2019 Toyota Corolla HB, despite Toyota having manual boxes from Scion TC and other euro hatches. They still put in a new manual box that is great for the new HB, it features things that help drivers as well as tech to help MPG and performance. BMW's manual box wasn't very good in my opinion it's rubbery and though it's nice to have a manual it's not that nice. I think I posted in another thread or maybe this one that the manual box is going to stay in the M division offerings and I support this big time.

Just wanted to share my findings : )

 

[justbake]

That's very true Manual should be offered in entry level Luxurycars. However, Market research points into very low numbers for manual in the luxury market.It mostly only is just there to appease a small number of enthusiast. I believe if my research into the G70 is correct (so I'm not 100%) the take rate for their manual is 10% and this is the 10% of people who are expected to buy the Genesis G70 in the lowest trim RWD where the Manual offered(most are expected to buy a mid-level 4 cylinder AWD around 60% of buyers) I also like to add that the Manual is from the old Genesis coupe from 2008(which was probably developed way before 2008, it's old)

So even if manual is offered it doesn't mean that you're getting the best stuff. IIRC the Genesis coupe's turbo 4 with manual didn't have the best reliability either or it was just the overall car. I'm with you and lots of other though on the manual should be offered. But I'm also with the if anyone is going to offer a manual it should be a good one it should match the car. A good example is the 2019 Toyota Corolla HB, despite Toyota having manual boxes from Scion TC and other euro hatches. They still put in a new manual box that is great for the new HB, it features things that help drivers as well as tech to help MPG and performance. BMW's manual box wasn't very good in my opinion it's rubbery and though it's nice to have a manual it's not that nice. I think I posted in another thread or maybe this one that the manual box is going to stay in the M division offerings and I support this big time.

Just wanted to share my findings : )

I understanding why, it just feels like BMW is so far outside their roots that a Korean company is filling their shoes in the market.

On another note, I loved the bmw box behind my 335. The Hill Assist feature was amazing and takes away from the worst part of driving a stick which is starting uphill

 

[Jeff Lange]

For what it's worth, new manual gearboxes don't always need to get developed. If it can hold the torque and shifts nicely it can be a 40-year old design for all I care.

The other thing about manual take rate is that if you only offer it on the lowest of the low models, it seems to me people then need to decide between a nicer car or manual and many will take the nicer car instead, even though they would have taken manual in the higher end model if it was available.

Thereby causing the apparent take rate to seem even lower.

Jeff

 

[Blupra]

For what it's worth, new manual gearboxes don't always need to get developed. If it can hold the torque and shifts nicely it can be a 40-year old design for all I care.

The other thing about manual take rate is that if you only offer it on the lowest of the low models, it seems to me people then need to decide between a nicer car or manual and many will take the nicer car instead, even though they would have taken manual in the higher end model if it was available.

Thereby causing the apparent take rate to seem even lower.

Jeff

^Agree. I loved the Lexus IS350 when they came out and eventually bought one, I would have opted for a manual but only the 250 got the manual. I also wanted awd as I was living in Ohio and in the beginning only the 250 offered awd. At least Lexus eventually offered the IS350 with awd, but I assume they came to the conclusion that 'nobody wants a manual in a Lexus IS' so that's why they canceled it. I would have loved to know how many people would have taken the manual on the IS350 and ISF had one been offered.

Also, I know on the BMW M2 the manual take rate is 50% for 2016-18. But there are a handful of people on the BMW forums that complained about dealers never having manuals available so they ended up buying a DCT instead of waiting. Nobody had a problem finding a DCT and purchased a manual instead. So the take rate would have been higher than 50% if every customer was able to get what they wanted, not sure if that number would have been 52% or 65% or what, but it would have been higher.

It would be crazy to think of Toyota offering a manual on a 4cy Supra but not the 6cy, I would hate to have to chose between a manual 4cy or Auto 6.

 

[A70TTR]

I mentioned it before, but Jeff actually swapped a 2GR into his IS250 so he could have what amounts to an IS350 manual.

 

[Chikane]

I guess the question would be if it was avaliable on every level for example or the level that would sell the most. Would they actually sell? Or overall they won't. I feel like only people like us enthusiast buys a manual. Most people just want a cool looking luxury car that basically drives it self. Harsh truth imho. I want more manual too.

 

[A70TTR]

They have done the research folks insinuate they haven't 1000x over and thus here we are. mistakes can and have been made, but they spend an unbelievable amount of money to ensure maximum profitability.

Question their commitment to fun and excitement sure, but to question the money...

 

[Modal170]

This is random but Toyota wants 3 brothers.

Would they hike up the 2nd gen 86 to 32-34k to slot in a cheaper, lesser powered car in the 20k? If they use the FA24, with same engineers from the Supra project hypothetically, they keep the same ethos and make it a similar car with an upscale interior but still not near the 45k+ 4 cylinder.

Cause I am trying to wrap around the pricing on these upcoming vehicles.

EDIT:That is, if the 4 Cylinder comes to the US

 

[tisdrew]

This question may seem obvious to most enthusiasts if you've never driven a 4 cyl but they can actually be quite fun due to reduced weight and other factors. There's also the issue of price being the primary factor.

So please weigh in on this... would you be interested in an entry level Supra with a 4cyl and at what price point would you want/expect it?

I was told around $40k as recently as two weeks ago, but that was broad spectrum (not for a specific country)

still a bit steep, but I know a lot of people that would buy it if it ends up being 3000lbs or less with ~260hp.

Given that the i6 is alleged to be north of 50k (60 depending who you ask), I'll be opting for the turbo 4 if it's mid forties. 10k in mods goes a LONG way. You can snag a 800hp-capable turbo for less than 2k....

 

[tarpatel]

Should they? No.

Will they? Probably eventually yes. 4cyl automatic status symbols sell/lease very well. just ask BMW.

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