Parking Brake unexpected Release (MT)

[CULaterJimzo]

just taken,cold start, foot on brake, clutch gear to neutral, start.

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[BMWAF]

just taken,cold start, foot on brake, clutch gear to neutral, start.

Is the clutch in or out while you are waiting for the brake to disengage?

 

[CULaterJimzo]

Is the clutch in or out while you are waiting for the brake to disengage?

The moment I take my foot off the clutch it turns off

 

[BMWAF]

The moment I take my foot off the clutch it turns off

What happens if you take the clutch out THEN apply the park brake, then release the pedal brake?

No one is brave enough to say it, but this always leaving the car in gear when parked thing is nonesense - leaving the car in a high gear (with the wheels pointed towards the curb) only applies when parked on a steep incline.

 

[6mtsoup]

I agree, if the car is in neutral the PB shouldn’t disengage. But, pretty simple habits form. Don’t press the brake when starting the car. Engage PB, release brake, turn car off, then clutch/gear when parked. Don’t play footsies with the pedals when you don’t need to?

 

[CULaterJimzo]

I agree, if the car is in neutral the PB shouldn’t disengage. But, pretty simple habits form. Don’t press the brake when starting the car. Engage PB, release brake, turn car off, then clutch/gear when parked. Don’t play footsies with the pedals when you don’t need to?

It would still happen with and without my foot on the brake. By default it should stay on till you start rolling clutch/gear in gas or manuallypush the PB

 

[6mtsoup]

It would still happen with and without my foot on the brake.

You got a weird car then. I start mine without touching the brake pedal, only the clutch, and have never seen the PB disengage.

By default it should stay on till you start rolling clutch/gear in gas or manuallypush the PB

Yep, agree. If the car is in neutral, I don’t want it to move.

 

[Spart]

I was always taught to park with the vehicle in gear. Having said that, for those that park in neutral or want to leave the car running, is the solution in either case to put the car in neutral with clutch and brake depressed, release the clutch, engage e brake then release brake?

The solution is Toyota fixes this.

But yes, let out on the clutch and then set the parking brake, and then make sure you don't touch the clutch pedal again.

 

[Spart]

From what I can tell, this just looks like yet another nanny dumbing things down for the millennial set. Rather than being a fault, could it be a matter of slightly changing your driving habit?



Does this solve the issue:

1. Come to a complete stop with the clutch in, car in neutral.
2. Keep clutch held in. Let the clutch out.
3. Set parking brake, let go of brake pedal.
4. Let the clutch out.
5. Observe that the parking brake releases and you start rolling.

And.. umm.. during the video, why are you constantly holding the clutch in while you are in neutral?

This is not a serious post.

Every manual vehicle I've owned up until now (all nine of them) have not rolled away on me. They all had/have fully mechanical parking brakes. My Tacoma could give less of a shit what gear I'm in and how I hold the clutch, if you set that parking brake it's not rolling away even if you try your damndest.

I explained why I hold the clutch in: because my habit is normally to set the parking brake, kill the ignition, put in first or reverse (if not already there) and only then let the clutch out. The only thing that changes when I leave the engine running (if I'm trying to warm the car or leave it running to keep my passenger warm/cool or whatever) is that I don't kill the ignition and I leave it in neutral.

I also tend to downshift to first in parking lot situations. I do not make a habit of rolling around in neutral, so I'm not coming to a stop in neutral. I'm typically coming to a stop in first.

Thanks for all your help.

 

[BMWAF]

I explained why I hold the clutch in: because my habit is normally to set the parking brake, kill the ignition, put in first or reverse (if not already there) and only then let the clutch out.

There it is. Don't expect Toyota to change the car because of your bad habit! Putting a manual in reverse every time you park isn't right, I don't care how many manual cars you've driven.

I also tend to downshift to first in parking lot situations. I do not make a habit of rolling around in neutral, so I'm not coming to a stop in neutral. I'm typically coming to a stop in first.

First? Umm.. no. Second, sure. It looks like the car is highlighting some driving habits you should consider adjusting mate. Not sure why you can't see that if the car doesn't erroneously release the brake in the steps I outlined, it's suggestive of your habits being circumspect and not a problem with the car's inherent operation.

Anyway, I'll continue to follow the thread but won't bother you with my input. I hope you find an answer to this problem that is more palatable to your ego.

 

[Spart]

There it is. Don't expect Toyota to change the car because of your bad habit! Putting a manual in reverse every time you park isn't right, I don't care how many manual cars you've driven.



First? Umm.. no. Second, sure. It looks like the car is highlighting some driving habits you should consider adjusting mate. Not sure why you can't see that if the car doesn't erroneously release the brake in the steps I outlined, it's suggestive of your habits being circumspect and not a problem with the car's inherent operation.

Anyway, I'll continue to follow the thread but won't bother you with my input. I hope you find an answer to this problem that is more palatable to your ego.

???

get rekt

 

[6SPDA91]

just taken,cold start, foot on brake, clutch gear to neutral, start.

Out of curiosity when you left the car last, had you actually set the parking brake? I'm not saying you didn't or questioning your intelligence, just a simple question.

I'm wondering if it reverts back to the last known state when you turn the car on but it's programed to engage the parking brake automatically in certain scenarios.

Sometimes I'll throw the parking brake on after I turn off my car (I've got 2 currently with electronic parking brakes) and I've had other things on my mind and forgot initially. BMW and Toyota build some massively intelligent safety features in to make sure the car is ready for the world markets, so a feature like that could make sense.

 

[FLtrackdays]

I never thought about this problem because I have an automatic. But sometimes the emergency brake is on and sometimes it’s off. It’s not reliable for me. But again, it’s an auto and I‘m in zero incline Florida. Incredibly interesting.

This is by far the newest and most electronic car I’ve ever owned. Most recent Motor Trend, Car & Driver or Road & Track has a photo & article of all new cars looking like the inside of an airplane but worse. They go on describing a BMW X7 infotainment system. No bad but not good either. It sucks but I think all these electronics are here to stay.

https://nicolasrapp.com/studio/portfolio/infotainment-overload/

If someone releases a giant EMP, we’re all screwed, lol. Sorry… Carry on ?

 

[CULaterJimzo]

You got a weird car then. I start mine without touching the brake pedal, only the clutch, and have never seen the PB disengage.

Haha yea, In that video I did had my foot on the brake. But most of the time I'd just one leg clutch in and start the car to get it warm before I leave for work. Even like that the PB would sometimes turn off on its own and sometimes it wouldn't.

Out of curiosity when you left the car last, had you actually set the parking brake? I'm not saying you didn't or questioning your intelligence, just a simple question.

Ever since I own this modern MT car, I try to discipline myself to triple check if the PB is on since I'm used to pulling the level on older cars. In the video you can see that the light was on just before I let my foot off.

The whole situation is weird.
Sometimes it would turn off when i press in the clutch
Sometimes it would turn off when I let go of the clutch, while still in neutral
Sometimes it would not turn off as many times I press in the clutch in and out, until I go first gear and accelerate (My understanding this should be default); correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Awales74]

Good habit or bad, it's unsafe. By default heavy machinery should not move unless the operator fully intends on moving it. Lifts in garages have two buttons separated by some distance to lower them for a reason. Car not in gear clearly the operator has no intent on moving it. Operator should be able to play hop scotch on the pedals and the car should stay still.

Believe the OP at fault? Imagine a child playing in his dad's car. Dead kid because he didn't know the car would come out of parking break. Don't think this sort of thing can kill someone? Ask Anton Yelchin and Jeep.

This nanny feature to release the parking break is simply unsafe. No way this would pass OSHA; safe driving habits be damned.

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