Race Tracking Your Supra - Information exchange

[Bug2th]

I tried that, bought set of separate wheels n tires for track. Trust me, cheaper in the long run. Even used 3.0 stock wheels.
For ohlins U need proper camber plates too.

I think I have a set of stock wheels/tires lined up to be dedicated (didn’t think the wife would be okay with this route but she was like - do it…. So before buying new track tires is it okay to get some decent used tires from the track? I’ve seen a few drivers do this but wasn’t sure how well this works overall.

also going to do camber plates first before deciding on rest of suspension. Was leaning towards vorschlag.

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[Bug2th]

If you just do tires and keep the OEM suspension (sway bars if you want), you won’t be sorry. Buddy down here at Homestead ?

5 hundredth of a second faster than me. Dude on only sway bars and tires. He’s been doing this for years, like me. So I promise you the car is capable out of the box. I happen to think adding extra negative camber is better for the tires and me. LCA was my best option for those adjustments once I got the Ohlins, since the Ohlins play better with the OEM top hats.

So want vs need. All this stuff is definitely not needed for this car. Seat time will be your best expense. After I beat Carlo’s time, then I can look at what else I need to do to the car ? Jk, there’s plenty room to work on my driving skill.

However, if you really enjoy setting up your suspension, tinkering or goal is to compete, go for the all out, change my setup every track event, coilovers. Carlo and I happen to keep it simple and he’s still faster than me ? ?

decided to try this approach first - just tires/camber plates. So on stock suspension I may not be able to get all the necessary camber? Or does it depend on theplates?

 

[Rocksandblues]

decided to try this approach first - just tires/camber plates. So on stock suspension I may not be able to get all the necessary camber? Or does it depend on theplates?

I am cheap. I am just on Verus camber plates and stock suspension. You can be pretty competitive

I have recruited some Supra friends at my local track. I guess we do ok

 

[type-964]

I would check and replace bolts (that need it) on a regular basis. Like you do with your pads and fluids. You will go through parts more and things will see more wear & tear. That being said, it’s so well worth it dude. Most track incidents the driver knows exactly what they did or didn’t do to cause the accident. They usually show really good ones/ videos at club driver’s meetings. Go to as many of those that you can.

Question that comes to mind - Dose Verkline have all the necessary goodies, end links for example, to go with adjustable LCAs? Or (answering my own question here) who gives a shit. Mix & match parts and carry on ? My thought was that they‘d play well together. However many of these parts are not working in conjunction with each other, so who cares. Right?

Ja Verkline appear to offer all the same bits, though some currently say “out of stock”.

I’m not in too much of a rush, but may do it towards the end of winter for next year’s HPDE/autox season.

I suspect it’ll be the last suspension mod I do. Too me the car already feels like it needs buckets, and I’m not ready to a) spend all that $ and b) still want to be able to take an occasional overnight road trip in it with my partner.

 

[Bug2th]

I am cheap. I am just on Verus camber plates and stock suspension. You can be pretty competitive

I have recruited some Supra friends at my local track. I guess we do ok

Looks like those verus are a better match for stock suspension. Are they easy to adjust at the track? Looked like the Allen nuts might be hard to get to/adjust.

 

[Rocksandblues]

Looks like those verus are a better match for stock suspension. Are they easy to adjust at the track? Looked like the Allen nuts might be hard to get to/adjust.

I haven’t adjusted them since install. But the nuts are a little tough Going to add a little more camber during all my off season work

 

[kaj]

decided to try this approach first - just tires/camber plates. So on stock suspension I may not be able to get all the necessary camber? Or does it depend on theplates?

Due to class restrictions, I'm on stock everything other than camber plates. The camber is *better* but I'm limited because the struts hit the tower if you move them in too far.
I have no complaints about how the car drives. I have a ton of trust in it and I'm outrunning a lot of "better" cars, most that have a lot of work done to them. Most of them are some decently prepped M3s.
I keep reading about how sketchy these cars are on stock stuff. Maybe I don't notice because I've always set my cars up a bit on the loose side. I also have a knack to adapting to cars quickly, so maybe it's a bit of that as well. That being said, these things must be f**king phenomenal with all the suspension bits added, if I like how it is already.

 

[Bug2th]

Due to class restrictions, I'm on stock everything other than camber plates. The camber is *better* but I'm limited because the struts hit the tower if you move them in too far.
I have no complaints about how the car drives. I have a ton of trust in it and I'm outrunning a lot of "better" cars, most that have a lot of work done to them. Most of them are some decently prepped M3s.
I keep reading about how sketchy these cars are on stock stuff. Maybe I don't notice because I've always set my cars up a bit on the loose side. I also have a knack to adapting to cars quickly, so maybe it's a bit of that as well. That being said, these things must be f**king phenomenal with all the suspension bits added, if I like how it is already.

which plates do you have? Does the brand matter?

 

[kaj]

which plates do you have? Does the brand matter?

I don't think it would really matter much. Whichever you prefer. I got Verus plates from Jackie at PhD

 

[razorlab]

Due to class restrictions, I'm on stock everything other than camber plates. The camber is *better* but I'm limited because the struts hit the tower if you move them in too far.
I have no complaints about how the car drives. I have a ton of trust in it and I'm outrunning a lot of "better" cars, most that have a lot of work done to them. Most of them are some decently prepped M3s.
I keep reading about how sketchy these cars are on stock stuff. Maybe I don't notice because I've always set my cars up a bit on the loose side. I also have a knack to adapting to cars quickly, so maybe it's a bit of that as well. That being said, these things must be f**king phenomenal with all the suspension bits added, if I like how it is already.

The Supra can be so fast with it being almost stock. There is a local guy that has a 23 MT that is knocking on the door of 1:4X's at Palmer with just springs, a seat, harness AND oem tires! It's very impressive. Stock camber and everything, he just keeps destroying the front tires, lol. We keep joking he is going to destroy us all after this winter when goes down the same mod rabbit hole we have.

He is #4 in this list:

 

[kaj]

The Supra can be so fast with it being almost stock. There is a local guy that has a 23 MT that is knocking on the door of 1:4X's at Palmer with just springs, a seat, harness AND oem tires! It's very impressive. Stock camber and everything, he just keeps destroying the front tires, lol. We keep joking he is going to destroy us all after this winter when goes down the same mod rabbit hole we have.

He is #4 in this list:

I assumed springs would make the car worse. That's awesome.

 

[AndyK5]

The Supra can be so fast with it being almost stock. There is a local guy that has a 23 MT that is knocking on the door of 1:4X's at Palmer with just springs, a seat, harness AND oem tires! It's very impressive. Stock camber and everything, he just keeps destroying the front tires, lol. We keep joking he is going to destroy us all after this winter when goes down the same mod rabbit hole we have.

He is #4 in this list:

This confirms what I am feeling as well. Car in stock form has a lot more grip than the seats can handle. I did not feel the need to get bucket seat and harness on my GR 86 until I was sufficiently fast with it and moved to 200TW tires. Supra in stock form at the track....bucket seat+harness is the number 2 mod after pads imo.

 

[theQuaybee]

I was extremely happy with the times I put down while Supra was bone stock on the stock PSS tires. That said I was definitely ready to get some stiffer suspension after a couple of days on the stock setup.

SPL front caster bushings and LCA will allow you to get enough camber to not shred your tires on the stock suspension setup.

 

[kaj]

I still can't get used to people using the term "bucket seat" in this day and age. ?
When I say my car is stock I forget to mention that I have also added a race seat. I was coming home from events with the entire left side of my body sore from propping myself up on the dead pedal lol
Also, It's hard to drive a car when you're having to use the steering wheel as a way to hold yourself in place.

 

[FLtrackdays]

decided to try this approach first - just tires/camber plates. So on stock suspension I may not be able to get all the necessary camber? Or does it depend on theplates?

I had camber Verus plates and they were just fine. Unfortunately I bought springs that were too low & needed to make a change anyways. Coulda shoulda…. stock suspension woulda been just fine. Go for as much negative camber as you can up front (up to -3.2) and your tires will thank you.

I am cheap. I am just on Verus camber plates and stock suspension. You can be pretty competitive

I have recruited some Supra friends at my local track. I guess we do ok

Dang mothafocka! That is hauling ass w/out coilovers. I’d like to think most of you guys also have sway bars as well. Regardless, proof it don’t take much ?

I still can't get used to people using the term "bucket seat" in this day and age. ?
When I say my car is stock I forget to mention that I have also added a race seat. I was coming home from events with the entire left side of my body sore from propping myself up on the dead pedal lol. Also, It's hard to drive a car when you're having to use the steering wheel as a way to hold yourself in place.

I know seats would normally be the 1st upgrade to do but I‘m really trying to keep her as close to stock (looking) - very odd for a track car indeed. Anyway, a Supra buddy uses knee pads at the track - so I bought some too, world of difference, lol. I also got seat belt locks. It really helps! But I know real seats with a harness would be way better and cut my lap times down - more connected, increasing confidence.

The Supra can be so fast with it being almost stock. There is a local guy that has a 23 MT that is knocking on the door of 1:4X's at Palmer with just springs, a seat, harness AND oem tires! It's very impressive. Stock camber and everything, he just keeps destroying the front tires, lol. We keep joking he is going to destroy us all after this winter when goes down the same mod rabbit hole we have.

He is #4 in this list:

Love it! Your car being the exception on how to optimize this Supra for track. How does your buddy with the red Supra do on that same track? You two seem to be pretty evenly matched. Assuming he doesn’t have the Catalyst.

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