Toyota Teases GR Line Up: Supra MK6, Celica MK8, MR2 MK4, 86 MK3 and GR GT

[Captain_Kirk]

How do you guys believe all of this? Toyota is probably one of the most boring, frugal companies out there who is pushing hybrid and hydrogen technology moreso than probably any other large automaker and you think they are about to unveil a huge sports car lineup like this? This is just a rumor mill being fed by Japanese outlets like Best Car who are not at all reliable sources of information.

I don't get it and I wouldn't buy any of this hype. They aren't going to all of the sudden spend all this money developing low production, low selling, high performance vehicles when most countries are pushing strict emissions regulations and especially not as the economy is about to possibly go into a recession. Have you seen the used car market lately? It's in shambles. New cars aren't doing much better.

The most outrageous one from the list has already been spotted testing.

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[SupraYYJ]

Funny thing, I need new glasses. One of my lens is cracked lol.

Oof, how many more ads do I need to click on before @JT buys you new glasses?

 

[KahnBB6]

The most outrageous one from the list has already been spotted testing.

^^ This.

 

[KahnBB6]

I don't think the Celica will be in that range. It's rumored to be on the same chassis and drivetrain as the MR2... I think it's going to be a 50k+ car...

As for the 86, if it's moving away from the partnership with Subaru and putting the G16E in it, you can forget that high 20k mark. It'll be a mide to high 30k car

The non-GR Celica trim levels probably won't be in the GR lineup because you'll have the coupe body fitted with a base engine and at least one hybrid gas-electric powertrain.

But in the GR range you'll likely see a "Celica SS-II" style trim level with a decent amount of horsepower and probably a 6-speed manual option (since Toyota already has a new-ish 6MT FWD transmission already existing in their parts bin from the Corolla. Just beef it up a bit internally)... and above that you'll have the range-topping and expensive AWD 2.0L turbo 400hp 6-speed M/T and A/T "Celica GT Four" successor.

This gives Toyota a new 2+2 coupe that isn't as focused and narrow in its sales potential as the two-seater only Supra and which is larger and less compact than the current GR86. Offering it with multiple powertrains at different price points below and up to $50k or so for the range topping AWD model certainly allows it to spread itself around a lot to many different kinds of customers.

 

[GRMan]

How do you guys believe all of this? Toyota is probably one of the most boring, frugal companies out there who is pushing hybrid and hydrogen technology moreso than probably any other large automaker and you think they are about to unveil a huge sports car lineup like this? This is just a rumor mill being fed by Japanese outlets like Best Car who are not at all reliable sources of information.

I don't get it and I wouldn't buy any of this hype. They aren't going to all of the sudden spend all this money developing low production, low selling, high performance vehicles when most countries are pushing strict emissions regulations and especially not as the economy is about to possibly go into a recession. Have you seen the used car market lately? It's in shambles. New cars aren't doing much better.

Toyota currently has the following enthusiast cars (all with 6MT standard or optional) in the GR range:
1. GR86
2. GR Yaris
3. GR Corolla
4. GR Supra

How is that possible from a boring and frugal car company? Which car manufacturers has that many cars from their current lineups equipped with manual transmission?

There are lots of people with money who want to buy these cars as a 2nd car, fun car or track car in many countries regardless of the health of the economy. I mean these cars are relatively affordable and are low volume in nature.

The money is not suddenly spent by Toyota GR. They have their R&D budget allocated by the board for each project and they have their forecast modelling all worked out. In 2025 even China is getting the GR Yaris. The GR86 has been very popular among the track enthusiasts in China for the last 2 years and we all know how big the market is over there. Most enthusiast there do not want to drive an EV on track because not only are they no fun, after a few laps those electric motors drop power, tires performance drops down a cliff because of EV's immense weight, battery running out of range...etc. Some extra information for those unfamiliar with the overall car market in China. EVs are actually not really usable in the northern part of China where the climate is very cold in winter and also because of the vast area in commuting. In those regions, ICE (petrol & diesel) remains the most popular choice of powerplant among new car sales.

 

[KahnBB6]

On the note of the market not being there for these kinds of cars... I have to disagree.

A year and a half ago I bought a new GR86. I needed a new daily car that wasn't yet another older used project to fix up (I already own one of those) and given the average cost of most new cars today I zeroed in on the specs I considered most worth the money: a true 2-door coupe that isn't a lifted crossover/SUV, 2+2 seating, trunk, rear wheel drive, LSD, good brakes (and now optional Brembos no less), manual transmission, fantastic handling, light weight, not a bloated looking design (current Mustang) and reasonably good power to weight ratio.

I really don't feel all of that is asking for too much from any automaker as a bare minimum. I wasn't going to buy some ugly and boring CVT crossover no matter how much I needed a new or new-ish daily car and I absolutely wanted a manual transmission in this decade where it's getting hard to find models that offer one. There wasn't much competition to choose from in that category except from Toyota and Subaru.

Toyota dealers, unwelcome markup shenanigans from most aside, are not keeping any of the GR models on lots for long or at all (apart from the Supra 2.0L's which just got discontinued). Most of them are only available if you get on a wait list deposit for one. And that's just in terms of the U.S. market. These GR cars are all sold globally (apart from the GR Yaris which excludes the U.S.).

I would say based on all of that Toyota has been very much not boring in the last few years already and that the sales of their GR models have proven there is a market for these cars.

 

[driftguy]

Toyota doesn't have a convertible in its lineup = MR2

Toyota has the space in its lineup for a high-end halo car = GR GT3

Swap the GR Corolla or Yaris = Celica

Doesn't seem far fetched at all.

 

[Supra93]

Oof, how many more ads do I need to click on before @JT buys you new glasses?

If he’s paying I want laser eye surgery! ??

 

[KahnBB6]

The convertible in the lineup will most likely be a variant of the new Celica.

The low volume MR2 will probably be a slicktop or targa or both like the 2nd gen SW20. Toyota will prioritize rigidity of the chassis though.

The GR GT3 is most likely going to be the Lexus “LFR” and exclusively sold under that brand. We’re talking about something that will be competing with high end Porsche 911 GT3’s, Ferraris and other very high end super cars. It’s sticker price will not be anywhere close to Toyota brand territory.

If both Toyota and Lexus get a version of the GR GT3 that will be interesting in terms of how they’re marketed differently.

 

[Supra93]

If Toyota wants an affordable convertible I think the simplest solution would be a reskin version of Daihatsu Vision Copen concept which looks really similar to the old S-FR concept.

 

[C-Pike]

The people at Toyota are probably like finally someone noticed lol. Anyways, I wonder if I'll be getting a prize for uncovering this haha.

They should give you a free MK6

 

[Supra93]

They should give you a free MK6

but I'll settle for life maintenance to help me reach a million miles.

 

[gymratter]

I don't think the Celica will be in that range. It's rumored to be on the same chassis and drivetrain as the MR2... I think it's going to be a 50k+ car...

As for the 86, if it's moving away from the partnership with Subaru and putting the G16E in it, you can forget that high 20k mark. It'll be a mide to high 30k car

whatever they do I still think Toyota still needs an affordable entry level coupe in the low to mid $20k range as with the goal of the original FRS

 

[Captain_Kirk]

With the Toyota and Subaru collaboration coming to an end Bestcar reported that the joint venture between Toyota, Daihatsu and Suzuki has restarted the S-FR project.

https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/856766?prd=2

 

[gymratter]

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