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Toyota Teases GR Line Up: Supra MK6, Celica MK8, MR2 MK4, 86 MK3 and GR GT
FLtrackdays
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Really? I like the top one better than the bottom one. The bottom one looks too much like a radical ?‍
Regardless, keep the sports cars coming!!
Captain_Kirk
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Matador
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My take on all this?
Celica and MR-2 will share a platform if they do bring both to the market.
I'm curious to see if they are actually going to have a version of the Daihatsu Copen (SFR) on the JDM Market and if they actually build a GR starlet.
Source: my @$$crack.
Toyota having this many sports/sporty cars is crazy to me, but I'm here for it.
Celica and MR-2 will share a platform if they do bring both to the market.
- Celica will come in at the top end of the GR Yaris/GR Corolla price point
- MR-2 Will be at the current Mk5 Supra price point
- Next Supra will go up in price. Maybe it may even have a Lexus version to replace the RC.
- GR GT3's street version will be a Lexus, and it will be pricey. Not LFA pricey though, it isn't an LFA successor. Mid to high $100k. I hope they bring back the SC name plate for it but I doubt.
I'm curious to see if they are actually going to have a version of the Daihatsu Copen (SFR) on the JDM Market and if they actually build a GR starlet.
Source: my @$$crack.
Toyota having this many sports/sporty cars is crazy to me, but I'm here for it.
Loco38SUP
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It’s all great regardless of the order. Mostly looking forward to the Celica & MR2 since future Supras will be 4 cylinder turbo hybrids.
The JDM loyalists are having wet dreams with all the Mazda inline 6 rumors.
-RJM
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If the RXSupra rumor has any credence, would they do single turbo or just a straight up Japanese S58?
KahnBB6
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At this point since Toyota has expressed interest in Mazda's inline-six turbo engine for a collaboration I'd expect GR engineers to work it over in some way if they actually use it.
Single turbo or twin turbo depends on a lot I'd think in terms of what kind of response and high end characteristics Toyota (and Mazda) would want. Maybe each of them might want something different or maybe each of them would want the same characteristics.
Turbo technology has come a very long way since both companies released sportscars with sequential twin turbo engines. At the time that was the best way to get the low end and high end response they each wanted given what turbo technology was like in the early 90's. And also just before variable valve timing was a thing.
These days it's not really necessary to go sequential. The S58 didn't and even in the 90's Nissan's RB26DETT did without it.
Maybe a wide powerband single turbo combined with dual variable valve timing, electric spool assist or even an extremely durable factory quick spool valve might do all that is needed.
Or maybe everything else is good enough to just stick with a parallel twin turbo system.
If they did decide to go with a sequential twin turbo system again (even with some form of electric spool assist) it would assuredly be greatly simplified using direct ECU controlled servo actuators... rather than the by today's standards very old fashioned VSV operated labyrinth of vacuum lines tied to traditional vacuum and pressure actuators.
The cylinder head design and the strength of the block casting are the two core design factors that I'd be most excited to learn about.
puzzled
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Is the new Supra is going to cost $100K and only offer the performance of an RCF? 
Or $150K+ like the NSX and be forgotten?
.. or cancelled all together due to budget constraints?
Or $150K+ like the NSX and be forgotten?.. or cancelled all together due to budget constraints?
KahnBB6
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I highly doubt the Supra MKVI is going to cost $100k+ USD. Maybe an eventual GRMN limited edition will cost that much for all we know but the rest of the model line shouldn't go there.Is the new Supra is going to cost $100K and only offer the performance of an RCF?
.. or cancelled all together due to budget constraints?
The core vehicle platform it's being developed from (developed in house according to A70TTR) is also being shared with Lexus for their new RWD two door sports coupe that will replace the RC and LC and they've already talked about partnering with Mazda to use their inline-six and potentially let Mazda use the same vehicle platform for a coupe of their own.
All of that platform and parts sharing points to something that very likely is not going to be an extremely expensive one platform vehicle and driveline shared with nothing else with very high cost to go with it. The last NSX (and R35 GTR) both went that way.
But the GR GT3 model has been designed that way and should fill that $100k++ or much higher price point.
Stvee
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There are definitely 2 different cars in that video. One is almost definitely a b58 so yeah probably whatever final edition the US gets. Not sure about the other though. It may be a gr86 special edition based on the sound.
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