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2024 MT MHD Stg 2+ Strange Intermittent Boost Issues. Limp Mode?

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Hey Fellas,

I recently started having a really bizarre intermittent boost issue with my 2024 45th AE 6Spd MT Supra.

Engine Mods:
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Femto Unlock w/MHD Stg 2+ 93 Octane OTS Map
93 Octane only. Have never run ethanol in this.
Mileage: ~1050

I unlocked my ECU at around 650 miles. First few hundred miles were great with no hiccups or weirdness. On my 2nd drive out this season I passed 1k miles. It was a spirited drive for about 30 minutes with no issues. Parked the car and had coffee with friends for a few hours. When leaving, I let the car idle for a few of minutes, drove normal for about 2 miles. On my first WOT pull, the car was noticeably slower but I am also driving on backroads so I can't be WOT for very long intervals. Did a few more WOT pulls on the way home where I could and every time the engine felt noticeably down on power. Got to one of my favorite roads where I where I can attack for a good 40 seconds straight or so. About 2/3rds up the road while exiting a corner in 3rd gear and applying throttle, the engine woke up and was boosting back to normal. This is when I realized something was wrong. It was boosting normal and healthy again for a few minutes. Again not doing full gear pulls but just jumping on throttle where I could (so it wasn't sustained load or heat soaking). Shortly after it went back to boosting low again and then bounced back into normal boost without any indicators why.

Yesterday (high 60's F' ambient), I went out and reflashed the MHD Map and made sure Map Switching was disabled thinking that maybe some how it was changing the map back and forth while driving. Went for another drive, filled up with Mobile 93 octane (tank was low) just after reaching operating temp and going WOT I had low boost again immediately. I brought the car home, plugged it in to a tender, updated MHD, reflashed the car, and reset all of the learning values. While in there before flashing, I also checked for codes and shadow codes, which there were none. Went out for another road test right after and the car was back to normal for about 15 minutes of on and off spirited driving. After a couple minutes of cool down and gentle cruise, getting back on the gas and the car was back to low boost. I did a few data logs during all of this and can see that when this is happening, the car is targeting and only boosting 8 psi. I was able to do a log in 2nd to 4th and actually catch the change happening in realtime after going WOT in 2nd. You can see 100% throttle and the car boost up to 19 psi and while still at 100% throttle the ECU target 8 psi and drop boost to there, holding it to the end of 2nd gear and also through 3rd gear. I also felt this change while driving as it was an abrupt hiccup. Attached are 2 MHD logs, one with this issue happening and another during the 15 minutes of driving spiritedly while it was boosting normal. It was relatively cool ambient temps, all engine temps were normal i.e. not heat soaking or hitting into any values where I believe any safety parameters would engage. I still do not have any error codes anywhere or any indicators as to what the hell is going on and why the ECU would intermittently reduce boost to 8 psi. I don't believe this is a boost leak because of it being intermittent. I've also never touched the charge pipes or anything else on the car.

Other areas I've since checked based on researching other's getting a somewhat similar issues was the height leveling sensor in the rear (which mine is in tact and not broken) as well as the vband clamp of the downpipe to confim it is not making contact with the wastegate actuator (which mine isn't).

Other thoughts: possibly a failing height leveling sensor in the rear causing limp mode or a failing boost solenoid but again there are no errors or codes.

I really am not sure where to go from here so any input is greatly appreciated! Thank you so much in advance!
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Am I really the only one who has experienced this?

So a couple of small updates:

1. Running the MHD Stg 2+ 91 Octane map has no issues.
2. Body Modules show no codes or issues.
3. Friends 2022 6 Port ZF Auto with similar mods, 93 from same Mobile station does not have limp mode issues.

My theories:

1. Mobile 93 octane might be trash and on the cusp of being 93
2. The MT cars with their longer gearing have more load at any given RPM than the 8 spd ZFs and MHD made these maps based on the ZF cars.
3. Owning my car since brand new and doing an actual proper break-in procedure caused the seals to seat better and my compression is higher. No beating the shit out of the car, no limping it around for 1k miles, after the first 30 miles of light driving and several full heat cycles, gradually increased throttle load and RPM in 500 RPM increments while brake loading the engine for 7-10 seconds intervals with cool down in between each, then parked the car and let the engine fully cool.
4. The 24 model ECUs have more sensitive threshold parameters than 2022 models.

After I run through this tank I am going to fill up with Shell VP 93 and try the 93 tune again.

I haven't really gotten a definitive answer from any of the companies I've reached out to and shown these maps to. What I want to know is what is the indicator in that log that shows why the ECU went into limp mode.
 
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If you put those logs on datazap you might get more input.
I have but it's the same data. I don't see any overboosting, any excessive timing corrections, or temps. MHD just keeps saying the gas is no good but I want to know what the actual trigger point is for limp mode.
 

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I have but it's the same data. I don't see any overboosting, any excessive timing corrections, or temps. MHD just keeps saying the gas is no good but I want to know what the actual trigger point is for limp mode.
Do you have a link to them?
 
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Yea, def in limp mode with a 262144 code. You had a clutch slip 8388608 code before that so that might be why.
 
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Yea, def in limp mode with a 262144 code. You had a clutch slip 8388608 code before that so that might be why.
Interesting. Where were you able to see the codes from the log file? I haven't felt any clutch slippage but I wonder if it's possible that with the 93 Stg2+ tune I'm getting to the limits of what the factory clutch can hold. So a slipping clutch can trigger limp mode?
 

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Interesting. Where were you able to see the codes from the log file? I haven't felt any clutch slippage but I wonder if it's possible that with the 93 Stg2+ tune I'm getting to the limits of what the factory clutch can hold. So a slipping clutch can trigger limp mode?
even 91 stage 2 mhd tunes kill these clutches lol. anything over 500wtq is hit or miss.
 
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even 91 stage 2 mhd tunes kill these clutches lol. anything over 500wtq is hit or miss.
I see. I remember some threads about early clutch failures but I have to say that I haven't noticed any slippage on mine. I haven't had any limp mode issues with the 91 tune. When I get through this tank I'm going to full up with Shell VP 93 and try the 93 map again.
 

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Did you ever resolve this issue? I just unlocked and tuned my 24 MT on mhd stage 2 93 and am also seeing odd boost behavior. Just did some logging today and saw a boost target of 7 psi at WOT.
 
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Did you ever resolve this issue? I just unlocked and tuned my 24 MT on mhd stage 2 93 and am also seeing odd boost behavior. Just did some logging today and saw a boost target of 7 psi at WOT.
Yes, in short the MHD OTS maps suck. I think this comes down to the fact the OTS maps were made for the auto cars that have shorter gearing (less engine load). These maps also create boost spikes between shifts if you do not jump back on throttle 100%. I believe this is what triggers the low boost mode as a safety. We saw 30+ psi spikes in the logs. I went with CD919 custom tuning and it was well worth the 350.00 bucks. He fixed the weird boost spikes between shifts and the car hasn't hiccuped once since we finished tuning. Power band is much smoother, shifts are much smoother and normal now and the car is faster everywhere. Down low and in the top end. I'm really happy with the end result from him.
 

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hello, that’s crazy. I just came across this page as I just came across this issue last night. I was out doing some runs and I noticed that for some reason 70% throttle had the same pull as 100% throttle. For the rest of the night, the car didn’t pull as much as it usually does. For reference I am on stage 1 93 octane on MHD OTS. Since then, I’ve let the car sit and today I’m not having any issues for a second there I thought I just got too used to the power.
 
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hello, that’s crazy. I just came across this page as I just came across this issue last night. I was out doing some runs and I noticed that for some reason 70% throttle had the same pull as 100% throttle. For the rest of the night, the car didn’t pull as much as it usually does. For reference I am on stage 1 93 octane on MHD OTS. Since then, I’ve let the car sit and today I’m not having any issues for a second there I thought I just got too used to the power.
That's the frustrating part is that the reduced power mode comes and go intermittently. I've literally had the go low power mode back to high power then low power again while hustling it continuously up one of my favorite winding roads. There's no errors, no codes, no indicators and nothing that shows up in the logs saying what triggered low power mode. You just see the ecu suddenly target 8 psi and only boost 8 psi. My best guess is either the boost spikes from the ZF auto OTS maps is what triggers the reduced power mode as a safety or that or the increased load of the 6 spd manual cars vs the 8spd ZF and OTS tune is too aggressive for the MT cars.
 

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This is the opposite to my experience. MHD Stage 3 2 98RON OTS map, manual transmission has been smooth as warm butter. Are we sure this isn't bad fuel? 🤷‍♂️

EDIT: Stage 2
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