Looking For Peoples Experiences and Opinions ( Charge Pipes )

[ExcitingSpade49]

I'm new to the Supra scene and I'm about to be tuned with bm3, and if i want to safely push more boost I'm being told i should upgrade my charge pipe, factory one is cheap plastic and I don't want to blow anything up, I believe this is the right place to ask this but i was hoping people could give me their personal experiences or maybe any better statistics on which charge pipe performs the best, has best IAT's, Quality, etc, thank you in advance and I'm sorry if this is a dumb question i just couldn't find a good thread on here of people comparing different branded charge pipes. Newer ones that is

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[Loco38SUP]

Did you see all the threads on charge pipes at them bottom of the page? Plenty of recommendations there.

-RJM

 

[SupraEffective]

If you want to be on the safe side, anything thats not plastic.

There are a lot of threads on which brand is better, but I've seen all do the same. Just don't go Titanium, only if you got the money IMO.

 

[rottmore]

better statistics on which charge pipe performs the best, has best IAT's, Quality, etc,

IAT's? Man, I really hope you meant water/meth nozzles. Because if you didn't... You should probably do more research and keep the questions to Facebook.

 

[Gabe]

I installed FTP. The install was straight forward. Is metal. Has good reviews. Fits well.

 

[ExcitingSpade49]

Did you see all the threads on charge pipes at them bottom of the page? Plenty of recommendations there.

-RJM

Not sure if you read what i said but newer threads? that's from when the platform was new and parts were newer and not as much is as known as things are now like one of the threads was talking about they don't know if ams is good as it just came out?

 

[ExcitingSpade49]

IAT's? Man, I really hope you meant water/meth nozzles. Because if you didn't... You should probably do more research and keep the questions to Facebook.

Maybe you should look into it? there are plenty of posts and videos of people talking about how aftermarket charge pipes can increase internal air temps and lead to quicker heat soak? sure can these be considered anecdotal? probably but you cant say its really that dumb when you hear/read things and are asking so you can better learn

 

[tracer bullet]

there are plenty of posts and videos of people talking about how aftermarket charge pipes can increase internal air temps and lead to quicker heat soak?

Did they have measurements or just questions and theories? The thing with the internet is that common knowledge is often wrong. Something sounds valid, gets repeated, and becomes fact even if it's incorrect.

When measured, a charge pipe will do nothing, the air's not contacting it long enough to make any difference at all. Nothing anyone's measured that I've ever seen. Only the intercooler hanging off the intake will do anything for you in regard to IAT's and it's because it's an actual heat exchanger. This is your guy if IAT's are a concern. With charge pipes you get the one that's either cheapest or coolest looking, depending on your goal. IAT's and charge pipes are not a thing.

I'd actually like to be corrected and see data showing they make a difference, someone doing back to back testing with the engine at the same temp and the tests done on the same day with the same weather and everything else. It's not really a challenge to you or anyone, I'd just like to see that there is an actual difference. It's just that up to now, it's never been shown to be one. All replacement charge pipes are metal tubes in the same shapes, the difference between them is in the details that don't matter to IAT's whatsoever.

 

[razorlab]

Charge pipe not really needed with stock turbo. It's not a old crusty NXX BMW.

I ran three track seasons with an upgraded turbo and finally blew apart the OEM charge pipe at 30psi at 6800rpm. Then I went to the do88 charge pipe and have had no issues thus far.

 

[ExcitingSpade49]

Charge pipe not really needed with stock turbo. It's not a old crusty NXX BMW.

I ran three track seasons with an upgraded turbo and finally blew apart the OEM charge pipe at 30psi at 6800rpm. Then I went to the do88 charge pipe and have had no issues thus far.

I've heard this sentiment a good few times, I'm just trying to do what my tuner recommends and they are recommending that i do the charge pipe.

 

[rottmore]

Maybe you should look into it? there are plenty of posts and videos of people talking about how aftermarket charge pipes can increase internal air temps and lead to quicker heat soak? sure can these be considered anecdotal? probably but you cant say its really that dumb when you hear/read things and are asking so you can better learn

Look into it? Enlighten me on these magical charge pipes with radiator fins as big as my CPU cooler. Are they made out of copper? Are they gold wrapped? What facebook posts and what videos? Link them.

 

[ExcitingSpade49]

Look into it? Enlighten me on these magical charge pipes with radiator fins as big as my CPU cooler. Are they made out of copper? Are they gold wrapped? What facebook posts and what videos? Link them.

I think you need to hop off your high horse dh, you clearly aren't understanding, I've been saying people say that aftermarket metal charge pipes have higher internal air temps and are more prone to heat soak as its just physics, especially in traffic it in theory should allow for heat soak quicker because metal holds heat more then plastic and this sentiment is said in multiple places and especially prevalent in older cars, again I'm trying to learn as these are newer to me.

I am just trying to pick the best for my car and for weird reason you latched onto the IAT part when its not the only thing i asked, i also asked about build quality and general performance etc.

And if you want more real data this m3 thread someone took the time to actually graph shit. And guess what? the IAT's albeit marginally were higher on an aftermarket charge pipe.

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362636

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1027686

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...d-cold-charge-pipes-or-not.62052/post-1998020

https://www.f150ecoboost.net/posts/105275/

 

[ExcitingSpade49]

Did they have measurements or just questions and theories? The thing with the internet is that common knowledge is often wrong. Something sounds valid, gets repeated, and becomes fact even if it's incorrect.

When measured, a charge pipe will do nothing, the air's not contacting it long enough to make any difference at all. Nothing anyone's measured that I've ever seen. Only the intercooler hanging off the intake will do anything for you in regard to IAT's and it's because it's an actual heat exchanger. This is your guy if IAT's are a concern. With charge pipes you get the one that's either cheapest or coolest looking, depending on your goal. IAT's and charge pipes are not a thing.

I'd actually like to be corrected and see data showing they make a difference, someone doing back to back testing with the engine at the same temp and the tests done on the same day with the same weather and everything else. It's not really a challenge to you or anyone, I'd just like to see that there is an actual difference. It's just that up to now, it's never been shown to be one. All replacement charge pipes are metal tubes in the same shapes, the difference between them is in the details that don't matter to IAT's whatsoever.

I will be getting the CSF heat exchanger, my tuner just recommended me get an upgraded charge pipe and i wanted to find the best for my car, I'm learning and i appreciate your explanation over some others here as you actually explained your opinion rather then just tell me I'm stupid and to just "f**k off" but anyways Here is a thread on the m3 forums, its marginal and we don't know the exact testing parameters they had them in like setup wise but from their graphs it does show temps being higher on aftermarket charge pipes vs stock, again albeit marginally none the less its still interesting to look at and see what the results were

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362636

 

[rottmore]

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362636

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1027686

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...d-cold-charge-pipes-or-not.62052/post-1998020

https://www.f150ecoboost.net/posts/105275/

Nice data about the b58... oh wait. How about you stop overthinking it and just run a charge pipe with 2 water/meth nozzles and call it a day?

 

[razorlab]

I will be getting the CSF heat exchanger,

If you are talking about the heat exchanger in the front cooling stack, don't even bother, it barely does anything. If you are talking about the intercooler in the intake manifold... anything but CSF. CSF products are low tier, despite all their marketing.

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