Looking For Peoples Experiences and Opinions ( Charge Pipes )

[ExcitingSpade49]

If you are talking about the heat exchanger in the front cooling stack, don't even bother, it barely does anything. If you are talking about the intercooler in the intake manifold... anything but CSF. CSF products are low tier, despite all their marketing.

Which would you recommend for either? or which brand for just the intake manifold?

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[razorlab]

Which would you recommend for either? or which brand for just the intake manifold?

I recommend not wasting money on the front cooling stack heat exchanger and just upgrade the manifold. Wagner and do88 make some good field tested units.

 

[ExcitingSpade49]

Nice data about the b58... oh wait. How about you stop overthinking it and just run a charge pipe with 2 water/meth nozzles and call it a day?

Are you like a special kind of stupid? I showed you proof that in general charge pipes do affect IATs and you seem to be trying to rage bait since you were proven wrong, try again maybe?

Bro just wants to pick a fight for no reason and latch on to the tiniest detail of what i was asking, rather then the overall picture, but go ahead keep making yourself look goofy, goofy

 

[razorlab]

Are you like a special kind of stupid? I showed you proof that in general charge pipes do affect IATs and you seem to be trying to rage bait since you were proven wrong, try again maybe?

Bro just wants to pick a fight for no reason and latch on to the tiniest detail of what i was asking, rather then the overall picture, but go ahead keep making yourself look goofy, goofy

One thing to keep in mind is it isn't mentioned what temp sensor was being logged (or maybe it did and I missed it), if it is the temp sensor in the charge pipe, it might be a false positive as the probe would get heat soaked being in metal as opposed to plastic. The actual air going through the pipe moves so fast I doubt it would have much chance to get heated by the metal pipe.

Also, I just realized, since it's not our B58, take it with a grain of salt. An S65 isn't turbocharged and is a V8. It doesn't even have a charge pipe in the same sense our B58's do.

 

[rottmore]

Are you like a special kind of stupid? I showed you proof that in general charge pipes do affect IATs and you seem to be trying to rage bait since you were proven wrong, try again maybe?

Bro just wants to pick a fight for no reason and latch on to the tiniest detail of what i was asking, rather then the overall picture, but go ahead keep making yourself look goofy, goofy

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[ExcitingSpade49]

One thing to keep in mind is it isn't mentioned what temp sensor was being logged (or maybe it did and I missed it), if it is the temp sensor in the charge pipe, it might be a false positive as the probe would get heat soaked being in metal as opposed to plastic. The actual air going through the pipe moves so fast I doubt it would have much change to get heated by the metal pipe.

Also, I just realized, since it's not our B58, take it with a grain of salt. An S65 isn't turbocharged and is a V8. It doesn't even have a charge pipe in the same sense our B58's do.

Oh i know to take it lightly but it was to show that the material of the charge pipe to a degree does get affected and hold heat compared to others thus heat soaking quicker, my main post wasn't to debate the dude I've since blocked (for being mad annoying) when I'm just trying to learn and pick something that would be best for my car, IAT's were just one small thing I've read and heard about when it comes to them so i added it to my post along with wanting best build quality and performance/longevity

And he said he used the ECU "Intake Air Temperature" Actual Value from a "Bavarian Technic Diagnostic Scan Tool" so basically just the ecus own general sensor for Intake temp i would assume? could be wrong.

but yea again the IATs difference is probably marginal and would only really be seen i would think when in bumper to bumper traffic on a hot day as that would be when less air is moving and giving more time for heat soak again this is my assumption based on what i do know, my coworker even said it probably does to a degree affect things as on race cars he said that even the material of the fuel line can affect temps of the fuel and change the power output of the car.


Again again I'm trying to learn and this post went towards something i wasn't expecting when trying to get recommendations on good branded charge pipes to use lol, I'm just trying to do as my tuner suggests and upgrade it

 

[Z4m40i]

All the heavy lifting for IAT cooling is done by the manifold. Even if it does heat soak, what the actual engine sees is still virtually not impacted.

you can see in this pull, pre manifold temps are ~300F. At the end of the multi gear pull (roughly 70-160mph), it’s -400F. IATs, however, only move up 3F.

 

[rottmore]

Hinted at him with the best cost-effective solution to his charge pipe IAT claims... twice. Couldn't take the hint, ignores and rages. Man, these kids that buy our cars keep getting younger and younger.
DUUH...what would you recommend, ADUUH...I'm just following what my tuner says, DUUH.. bruh, i asked CHATGPT and it said this, UUUH... i'm just here to learn as much as i can. Yea buddy... it's called the search function lol

 

[SuupYota]

Hinted at him with the best cost-effective solution to his charge pipe IAT claims... twice. Couldn't take the hint, ignores and rages. Man, these kids that buy our cars keep getting younger and younger.
DUUH...what would you recommend, ADUUH...I'm just following what my tuner says, DUUH.. bruh, i asked CHATGPT and it said this, UUUH... i'm just here to learn as much as i can. Yea buddy... it's called the search function lol

Yes, I agree! There definitely seems to be a direct correlation to the year of birth and intelligence level. I've been noticing this trend on this forum lately, with new members. Lots of younger owners and the inability to use a search bar, then get enraged and defensive when real human data conflicts with ChatGPT.

 

[Loco38SUP]

Yes, I agree! There definitely seems to be a direct correlation to the year of birth and intelligence level. I've been noticing this trend on this forum lately, with new members. Lots of younger owners and the inability to use a search bar, then get enraged and defensive when real human data conflicts with ChatGPT.

Its the “please give me the answer in my hand” syndrome. Instead of investing time and drawing their own conclusion they want the solution handed to them.

In the almost 5 years here I’ve yet to see an aftermarket charge pipe have a distinct advantage over another. its a charge pipe, pick a color and move on.

-RJM

 

[SoDakMk5]

Yes new products may be in the market since those old posts. Maybe there’s a reason there’s no updates on them they are the same as everything else. Lots of info here that a simple bump on the original thread would make more progress vs starting a new one and clogging up the forum.
If your stock turbo u don’t need an upgraded charge pipe. Heat exchanger is a waste of money for the less than 1% gain u might see. Intake manifold will yield u the best help with iat and with one u will need to get a charge pipe and as mentioned b4 they are a metal pipe in the same shape so they all do the same thing. Only recommendation is get the extended coupler for it. Pick the one that is the color u like. But if your tuner isn’t able to help direct u better u need a better tuner If he’s telling u to buy junk u don’t need like a heat exchanger

 

[razorlab]

Yes new products may be in the market since those old posts. Maybe there’s a reason there’s no updates on them they are the same as everything else. Lots of info here that a simple bump on the original thread would make more progress vs starting a new one and clogging up the forum.
If your stock turbo u don’t need an upgraded charge pipe. Heat exchanger is a waste of money for the less than 1% gain u might see. Intake manifold will yield u the best help with iat and with one u will need to get a charge pipe and as mentioned b4 they are a metal pipe in the same shape so they all do the same thing. Only recommendation is get the extended coupler for it. Pick the one that is the color u like. But if your tuner isn’t able to help direct u better u need a better tuner If he’s telling u to buy junk u don’t need like a heat exchanger

Wagner and do88 do not need extended anything. Work with OEM charge pipe no issue. Same with aftermarket pipes without any different couplers.

 

[BrodoFratgins]

Not sure if you read what i said but newer threads? that's from when the platform was new and parts were newer and not as much is as known as things are now like one of the threads was talking about they don't know if ams is good as it just came out?

Honestly it's still better to post in these threads even if they are dated so information can be condensed to a few or even singular thread(s) for reference in the future. It puts them at the top of the feed just the same as a new thread so you can still get the latest info.

 

[itzTang]

Which undie material is best for cooling? It’s just a charge pipe. You just want to upgrade it to hold more boost later on down the road.

 

[rottmore]

Honestly it's still better to post in these threads even if they are dated so information can be condensed to a few or even singular thread(s) for reference in the future. It puts them at the top of the feed just the same as a new thread so you can still get the latest info.

That's true but the problem is that charge pipes don’t really merit an update, honestly. It’s such a “meh” topic for fabricators. Usually, people just route and fabricate their own charge pipe when they upgrade the turbo, whether it’s top-mount or bottom-mount. So this thread just feels... meh.

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