Toyota confirmed 3 sports car lineup: Toyota exec wants to bring back Celica, MR2

[tfoxyr]

If they could produce a sports car that is rwd with a starting price under 20k probably closer to 17k-18k i think it would be nice. For the 86 i believe if it doesn't move upmarket there is no market for it , because for example you can have with 30k euros a seat leon cupra packing 300 hp and the 86 with 200hp which has no torque at all costs 38k , i mean come on . So maybe the sfr will come and be a truly affordable car with rwd .

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[HKz]

EU is not only market out there the twins have been doing fine in the NA & Asian/Oceania markets..if anything the sales figures don't bode well for the Miata/124 Spider which is what Mazda was anticipating and why they shared costs this time. Think we've already discussed the issue here being the costs of shipping and selling a car that is manufactured on the other side of the planet... If you thought the 86 was overpriced and underpowered how would the SFR be any different when it is bred from the same concept?

 

[tfoxyr]

EU is not only market out there the twins have been doing fine in the NA & Asian/Oceania markets..if anything the sales figures don't bode well for the Miata/124 Spider which is what Mazda was anticipating and why they shared costs this time. Think we've already discussed the issue here being the costs of shipping and selling a car that is manufactured on the other side of the planet... If you thought the 86 was overpriced and underpowered how would the SFR be any different when it is bred from the same concept?

haha yeah we have discussed this another time indeed. But i believe toyota can figure the way to find its footing on other markets like the eu . Take for example ford , even in the highest taxed countries in eu you can have a ford focus rs with like 45k , it has 350hp and 4wd , so i am kind of hoping toyota makes a comeback at least in eu because the last time a sporty toyota was sold here was the last gen celica and even tho i don't like this car , it actually did well in some countries and curiously enough it had some following . I know it will be difficult but i think it is possible for toyota to make a strong come back in some markets that has lost the car crowd.

 

[zigzagz94]

A Celica GT-Four/All-Trac revival would fit more in line with the Subaru partnership as they were always lukewarm on the idea of having a RWD sportscar in their line up. It took a lot of convincing to get them on board with the 86 project. A turbo charged AWD coupe would be right at home as a Subie though and might sell in greater numbers to their existing customer base. Supposedly the Subie AWD system couldn't fit in the current 86 platform but with this new modular toyota sports car platform who knows?

 

[jm6k]

A Celica GT-Four/All-Trac revival would fit more in line with the Subaru partnership as they were always lukewarm on the idea of having a RWD sportscar in their line up. It took a lot of convincing to get them on board with the 86 project. A turbo charged AWD coupe would be right at home as a Subie though and might sell in greater numbers to their existing customer base. Supposedly the Subie AWD system couldn't fit in the current 86 platform but with this new modular toyota sports car platform who knows?

That would actually be very cool. Give Toyota a new GT-Four and Subaru a new 22b or whatever that Impreza coupe chassis was called.

 

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[tfoxyr]

Is there anyone that can speak some japanese to enlighten us ? From the numbers i see , there is some 1litre turbo or hybrid 2 seater from GR?

 

[Captain_Kirk]

Is there anyone that can speak some japanese to enlighten us ? From the numbers i see , there is some 1litre turbo or hybrid 2 seater from GR?

The base is Copen!?!? Catch the Toyota new compact sports development plan !!

Toyota's compact FR sports "S-FR" which was exhibited as a concept car at the Tokyo Motor Show in 2015 and became a big topic. After that, I repeated the flow of development cancellation and development resumption, I let the jealousy fans be jealous, but at last the development suspension was officially decided.

However, this time, it turned out that development of a sports model for surprising young people in Toyota is proceeding. In this article, I would like to introduce the newly grasp Toyota's new sports car project.

The idea of being a cheap and easy-to-use sports car

The new sports car project moving in Toyota is a new FF sports with a 1 L turbo based on Copen.

The group that had been making S - FR in Toyota 's company until now is to develop young generation car lovers from now on 4 WD sports and super sports belonging to the top category (planned to be set to next auris) I think that a more basic and cheaper model is needed than it is. So Daihatsu's light open sports, Copen was a white arrow standing.

A major advantage of being based on Copen is that the rigidity and collision safety required for sports driving are already secured by the skeleton structure "D Frame".

Therefore, it means that you can develop a new model without putting too much cost, but at the same time the high degree of freedom of body design unique to Copen is also an advantage.

Copen is characterized by a structure that can be exchanged by attaching outer panel panels of different designs to the frame, but to make full use of that structure also to Toyota.

The 1L engine does not need to be tied to a light standard, so the whole width will be widened widely, but the cabin size will not change, the increasing total width will be all the fender, it will be aggressive so it looks .

■ "GR" also deeply involved in development
It is an engine mounted on the body, which is based on Tall's 1KR-VET and loads what it tune independently.

Toyota wants to make this new FF sports a GR brand exclusive car and GAZOO Racing Company should be involved in that tuning.

He is engaged in development, and "GR" version is also available. The power unit which is considered to be mounted on Toyota's new sports has Copen's 660 cc straight 3 turbo, but is 1 L 3 straight turbo effective? The base is a 1KR-VET type adopted for tank / rouge etc, but the maximum output is likely to be upgraded from normal 98 to 110. One makeup race specification should be further powered up

The output is expected to be around 110 ps / 16.0 kgm, and it is pursuing the pleasure of using up the power, but there is also a story saying that a base car based on motor sports participation is additionally prepared, and the output is raised to about 130 ps That's it.

I am concerned about what the mission will be because the engine of Tall which is currently set only for CVT is the base, but of course, MT is also prepared as a sports model. Based on the 5-speed MT that Copen places, but as expected it will not be able to withstand the torque of 1 L turbo, so it will be strengthened. The test is currently being repeated.

Of course, it is necessary to change the undercarriage because the whole width expands and the tread also changes, but this is commonplace in the world of rally. Toyota who went to WRC and has know-how should not be a big hindrance.

The point is still price

The remainder is when and how long this model will appear, but considering that we are currently conducting mission tests etc., it is expected to be 2019 as well. However, there is a possibility that it will be faster than other general vehicle development because there is a base vehicle, and in that case it may show up in 2018.

For the price, motor sports-based vehicles whose equipment is simplified will appear in the second half of the 1 million-yen range, but the public road specification is still expected to be 2.5 million yen class.

It is hard to say that it is cheap, but as soon as it comes out of the GR brand, the pleasures of running are obsessed. It can be said that it is sufficiently convincing if it thinks about it. In the best car, we will keep track of this new FF sports information. I would like to expect from the following report.

 

[BrettS]

I like this much more than the SFR. Kinda reminds me of a smaller Jag f type

 

[tfoxyr]

thanks for the translation!!! really apreciated .

 

[woll3]

If we speculate a little bit it all starts to come together, the "Toyobimmasupra86" would replace the GT86 and at the same time compete with a variety of different (higher end) Competitors given the engine range from the B48 with ~200hp to a B58 with around 400hp(if the leak holds any value), combined with the "FF Sports" that could compete with the likes of the MX-5 or even sporty hatchbacks all bases would be covered.

 

[HKz]

If we speculate a little bit it all starts to come together, the "Toyobimmasupra86" would replace the GT86 and at the same time compete with a variety of different (higher end) Competitors given the engine range from the B48 with ~200hp to a B58 with around 400hp(if the leak holds any value), combined with the "FF Sports" that could compete with the likes of the MX-5 or even sporty hatchbacks all bases would be covered.

....but you missed the part that the weaker 4 banger is either EU/Asia markets only or not even happening not to mention it ain't going to be in the same $26 k USD segment. Come on, you think A FF platform is going to compete with a Miata? lol. It is funny how so many people see the demise of the twins when they are doing totally fine in the market. Losing a sports car after only one generation only to replace it with a new unknown performance model with no cachet is not what Toyota wants to be doing.

 

[woll3]

....but you missed the part that the weaker 4 banger is either EU/Asia markets only or not even happening

Which is why i was saying it was speculative, however offering a 4cyl. in areas where you get taxed heavily for fuel economy would make sense.(e.G. Austria's Normverbrauchsabgabe)

not to mention it ain't going to be in the same $26 k USD segment.

That is also dependent on where you live, around here the GT86 already costs as much as an entry level BMW 2 Series(35k €), so the overall package isnt very convincing anyway right now, however paying 10-15k more would be worth it depending on the features offered.

Come on, you think A FF platform is going to compete with a Miata? lol. It is funny how so many people see the demise of the twins when they are doing totally fine in the market..

The common consumer would see the difference in dynamics even as a plus. Also why does it have to be a "demise"? The 86's are now over half a decade old, and sales have been steadily dropping since 2014, so why not start "anew"?

Losing a sports car after only one generation only to replace it with a new unknown performance model with no cachet is not what Toyota wants to be doing.

How would your 86 modernization look like? Just add a Turbo/more power? If the leak about the engines is true we get a wide range of specs that can make a lot more people happy from the get go, the name doesnt have to matter if the spirit is the same. Not to mention that Toyota is kinda piggybacking again.

 

[tfoxyr]

This much is true for most if not all EU countries . Bigger engines with higher emmisions are taxed very heavily , and also the 86 is not a bargain at all in all of EU .The thing though is that the new "supra" tho won't play in the 200hp area , if it has a 4 cylinder engine it will be at least 260hp , so the 86 could enter a 2nd gen with about 220 hp from a 1.6 litre turbo engine(for emmisions and performance ) which could be at the same price as now and be more of a sports car than the bigger brother in the line up which would be a mix of sports car and GT .

 

[A70TTR]

FWD? no thanks. although the styling is better IMO, as mentioned above.

S-FR was RWD hence its name, and thats why people wanted it.

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