2020 Supra Transmission Chat - Manual, Dual Clutch, or Auto?

What kind of transmission are you hoping for?

  • Manual

    Votes: 71 70.3%
  • DCT

    Votes: 25 24.8%
  • Auto

    Votes: 5 5.0%

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Levi

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Totally agree with diminushing returns. Manual is nice till a certain power-to-weight ratio, but then it just is not enough to keep up with the performance.




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Offering a manual is a must in my book. I don't care if DCT is faster. I want to feel like I am driving my car, not playing a video game.
 

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Offering a manual is a must in my book. I don't care if DCT is faster. I want to feel like I am driving my car, not playing a video game.
Manual is not as imporant as transaxle, but transaxle does not rule out manual from a technical aspect.
 

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Offering a manual is a must in my book. I don't care if DCT is faster. I want to feel like I am driving my car, not playing a video game.
I'd place my money on it getting a manual. Just not sure what the other transmission option will be - auto or DCT, and only because there's currently no dual clutch in Toyota's lineup to pick from. What I hope they don't do is cop out and stick an auto in it and try to make up for it with fancy marketing language like they do on the Corvette.
 

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One of the advantages of DCT in high rpm high Hp car is the chance a mis-shift at red line is controlled. That's why most astute buyers of track oriented performance car do an ECU dump and look for over revs.

Just imagine going in third gear doing over 100 mph and you shove the manual gear into second, and you are pushing a 500+Hp drivetrain.... Not a happy ending!
Just came back from talking to the Toyota service manager. He told me that since my last visit, they had two FRS's with blown engine that the factory replaced. I asked if they were as a result of miss shifts, and he said they thought so. Although the owners weren't forthcoming. They looked at the ECU and they had over rev's listing 99999. They think they were probably getting on it hard to enter freeway on ramps when they shifted down a gear or two or more...?

I saw pictures of the blown engine with rod bent all to hell and piston fried, etc...and to think FRS has less Hp than my bike!

Toyota replaced both engines. Service manager said the new engine from Toyota cost $30K (more than the car MSRP), but the same engine from Subaru costs $16K!?

So PDK is also a way of protecting idiots blowing engines, while saving the factories the replacement costs...

By the way I heard the nasty rumor that since BMW maybe building the engine, it could cost $120K range. I personally don't think I believe this, and hope Toyota is smarter than that...
 

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I would take anything that anyone from a dealership tells me with a grain of salt. Most of that sounds like BS.

I have a hard time believing, though, that manufacturers are replacing engines for free when there's documented evidence of user error. I wouldn't doubt that it happens from time to time, but car companies don't make money by giving away free motors.

But no doubt that there are a lot of 86 drivers making moneyshifts. I have to admit, one of the reasons I don't like to drive stick is the fear of a moneyshift. With a dual clutch I can grab lower gears to my heart's content, with zero worries.
 

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Apparently Toyota sent some of their guys over to actually inspect the blown engines. The cars were under warranty, and user error or not (most definetly user error), they decided to replace the engines free of charge. He had no reason to lie about it and was surprised himself. I know the guy...as for the $120k, I think it's nonsense...at least I hope it is.
 

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Just came back from talking to the Toyota service manager. He told me that since my last visit, they had two FRS's with blown engine that the factory replaced. I asked if they were as a result of miss shifts, and he said they thought so. Although the owners weren't forthcoming. They looked at the ECU and they had over rev's listing 99999. They think they were probably getting on it hard to enter freeway on ramps when they shifted down a gear or two or more...?

I saw pictures of the blown engine with rod bent all to hell and piston fried, etc...and to think FRS has less Hp than my bike!

Toyota replaced both engines. Service manager said the new engine from Toyota cost $30K (more than the car MSRP), but the same engine from Subaru costs $16K!?

So PDK is also a way of protecting idiots blowing engines, while saving the factories the replacement costs...

By the way I heard the nasty rumor that since BMW maybe building the engine, it could cost $120K range. I personally don't think I believe this, and hope Toyota is smarter than that...
Motorcycles have tq/power peak up there over 10K rpm, and shifting is sequential. Hardly anyone would mess up shifting.
 

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Motorcycles have tq/power peak up there over 10K rpm, and shifting is sequential. Hardly anyone would mess up shifting.
Thank you for the education!
I'll do my best to remember that...
 
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Thank you for the education!
I'll do my best to remember that...
Well, like you, I ride as well, so I take it as sarcastic response. I'm just pointing out it's easier for a driver to make mistake.
 

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Well, like you, I ride as well, so I take it as sarcastic response. I'm just pointing out it's easier for a driver to make mistake.
Well, yes it was! But it was a funny one!!!! ;) Just pulling your leg!

You can read on if you promise to put on a smile...

Actually although it's hard to screw up shifting a bike while riding from Starbucks to Starbucks, it's not very difficult to implode the gearbox/engine of a bike while shifting in race condition or hard track riding.

That's why rev matching is so important during hard downshifting while riding a bike....or lazy people like me, who just want to go fast invest a lot of mullahs in slipper clutches, which also saves precious milliseconds. So I don't have to worry shifting down to third and dropping the clutch at the end of a straight at a much higher top speed than most cars can possibly dream of...give me a bike and I can blow up its internals/drivetrain in no time, if you so desire. ;)
 
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Well, yes it was! But it was a funny one!!!! ;) Just pulling your leg!

You can read on if you promise to put on a smile...

Actually although it's hard to screw up shifting a bike while riding from Starbucks to Starbucks, it's not very difficult to implode the gearbox/engine of a bike while shifting in race condition or hard track riding.

That's why rev matching is so important during hard downshifting while riding a bike....or lazy people like me, who just want to go fast invest a lot of mullahs in slipper clutches, which also saves precious milliseconds. So I don't have to worry shifting down to third and dropping the clutch at the end of a straight at a much higher top speed than most cars can possibly dream of...give me a bike and I can blow up its internals/drivetrain in no time, if you so desire. ;)
Track duty, yes. That FR-S you talked about though, it probably was misused that it engine could explode in a normal usage. I'm still surprised why Toyota can easily replace an engine in a car, unless it's their engine design flaw and they tried to cover it.

P.S. I rev match on my daily basis. LOL
 

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Craigy made a good point in the other thread that the first interior pics we have from the prototype shows that there's no steering wheel paddle shifters. Could mean that we're looking at an automatic transmission and not a dual clutch transmission?

I think the MKV will definitely feature a manual transmission option, but what's less sure is if it'll get a dual clutch or an automatic transmission. Looking at Toyota and BMW's performance cars might give us a clue...

Lexus LC 500 --10 Speed Auto w/ paddle shifters
Lexus RC F -- 8 Speed Auto w/ paddle shifters
BMW M2 -- DCT
BMW M3/M4 -- DCT
BMW X5M/X6M -- 8 Speed Auto w/ paddle shifters

Trend seems to be if the Supra gets a Toyota transmission it'll most likely be an auto with paddles, especially considering there's no current Toyota/Lexus with a dual clutch. But, if it gets a BMW transmission there's at least a chance it might be dual clutch.
 

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Tada san said the car will be fun to drive and that they weren't chasing ring time (unlike GT-R). So I'm hoping a manual will be offered.

On a side note, does anyone know how much power the 86 manual tranny can handle?
 

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