BBK Brembo or AP Racing - Or none at all?? - Track and daily

[Akula075]

Hello to everyone,

I'm making this thread, because, the more I read the dumber I become...

I would like to improve the braking system on the supra in order to be able to maximice the time on track while being able to mantain the daily car status.

I've found a lot of information on the AP Racing kits, but very little on the Brembo ones.

Currently, I'm orbiting to the GT -BM kit from Brembo, as it's "reasonably" priced from where I'm from in comparision to AP Racing. ¿Has anyone tried the Brembos?

I would appreciate any insight and opinion on the Brembo kits, AP kits, stock calipers + pads and/or rotors.

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[razorlab]

First question is what is your current setup?

Brake pads
Brake fluid
Tires
Power

 

[mojo_jojo77777]

With the little information presented, I'm going to make an assumption that you don't actually NEED a big brake kit. Sounds like what you actually need is just brake pads, higher temp brake fluid, and good tires.

Theres plenty of people logging hundreds/thousands of hours on track with the oem brake calipers. Myself and a bunch of locals have no issues with the oem setup despite the "smaller size" compared to BBKs that utilize 380+mm rotors.

Another thing to consider, is that pads that work well on street, arent the best on track and vice versa. A decent "compromise" pad that can do dual duty (depending on skill level/driving style) is the Project Mu Club Racers. They can handle track use and still "sorta" streetable (despite horrible cold bite).

Most track specific pads (Ferodo DS 1.11, Pagid RSL29, Hawk DTC X0) are not very street friendly at all.

As far as rotors, I dont see an issue with the oem rotors. They are already 2 piece design and vented, but myself and many others use cheap rotors that are 1 piece cast with no issues.

 

[PowerGetter]

there's good info already presented to you here. No one is discouraging you to get new brakes, but you need to approach it with the proper mind set.

Pads, fluid, lines will yield you the results you want. The actual caliper/rotors will provide specific benefits that don't significantly improve actual braking "power".

Upgrading the calipers will in most cases be lighter weight, better ventilation (sometimes), and allow you to run specific pads that might be available for the OEM calipers. They also sometimes offer extremely easier access to the pads for pad swaps (like the clip feature on the AP CP 9660/9668). The upgraded rotors allow you to just swap the ring vs having to replace the entire rotor, and in most cases provide better ventilation tech with more even pad wear characteristics (at the expense of pad life if they're slotted). Also, at the end of the day, they look nice right?

There's plenty of successful time attack Supra's running the OEM setup with different pads, upgraded lines, and fluid.

With that said, I did go with the AP Racing CP9668 vs the 9660's just so I wouldn't have to change pads as often. In comparison to OEM, yes, they're lighter, they better capable at dissipating/withstanding heat but "upgraded" calipers/rotors would be a recommendation I make to people further down their modding journey, unless you really want the look. It's not a waste, but that $6K-7K can really be better spent somewhere else on the car, specially when a bulk of your stopping performance comes from the pads, lines, fluid.

 

[Rocksandblues]

5 seasons on stock calipers. if i add power i will want bigger. but i stop just fine now. lap times are more about getting on gas early rather than out braking someone by 15'

 

[Gabe]

Almost All the people I know and track their cars - some at high levels - are still on stock rotors and calipers with upgraded Pads, high temp fluid and some have steel lines.

Throw in there a set of front brake ventilation ducts for good measure. most knowledgeable people won’t bat an eye.

if you have a Base car like me, I would suggest you do upgrade to the Premium OEM rear calipers and rotors (330 vs 345mm - get on eBay cheap) because that would give you more options on better pads.

that’s where I’m now and, for a while, I won’t need to change to aftermarket calipers and rotors.

 

[Akula075]

Thank you all for your insight. Really appreciate it.

Then for now I think I'll leave the brake system as it is. Changing brake lines and pad compound to something track worthy and see how things go.

And with the money that won't be spend in the BBK, spending it in a second set of rims and specific track tyres.

 

[Gabe]

OH YEAH! that's the way

 

[Akula075]

So... I'm back again with the BBK theme...

I can't stop looking for information and different kits and what can I get my hands on. So this week I've talking with a distribuitor and he told me about NEOTECH BRAKES

Has anyone have any experience with them or heard anything?

They have a Supra as a development car, and they promise Brembo / AP performance for a fraction of the price...
So it's an option to consider.

 

[i3igpete]

Are you asking the distributor whether it shares pads sizes with other established brands? If not, you will get stuck with whatever that supplier decides to make.

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