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Featured Car & Driver Dyno Results: The 2020 Toyota Supra Makes More Power Than Toyota Claims

Discussion in 'General Supra Topics' started by BrettS, May 21, 2019.

  1. Nurburgring

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    Porsche tax is real though. Sure, turbos can be stupid fast, but it will cost serious money. And god forbid something goes seriously wrong.

    That´s why the MkV Supra is in a unique position. It may be a Cayman S challenger in stock form, but the aftermarket will probably take it to 911 turbo levels of performance for half the money. Not everybody´s cup of tea for sure, but there is definetly a market for this. It´s not hard to imagine many people moving from WRX/STI/Evo/S2000 or even some V8´s to the new Supra for that reason.
     
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    I'd drop the easy heavy things in an instant regardless of where they are and then get some coilovers and adjust my ride height, alignment and spring rates or sways to get the balance to where I want it. I've been autoxing my 53% front bias mk2 for decades and the gains from a lower curb weight always outweigh the gains from a real 50/50 weight balance. If you can't deal with the weight discrepancy (realistically you're only going to affect it by about 1% with the mods mentioned here), keep your gas tank full when you race. Instant 100lbs on the rear axel vs running at 10% full (which is what I always do with my autox mk2 and it nets quicker times).
     
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    #108 May 23, 2019
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    When I was there at the event, I didn't see journalist going side way. Only legit person drifting was Master Drive Herwig. Most of the vid you see Supra going side way is done by Herwig and not the journalists... Of course, in UK review is/might be a bit different (they're used to going side way). Track we test drove (Shenadoah) was technical course and prob they chose that course for 86 more than Supra. Up and down was pretty tough so unless they wanted to go off track or know that track well, it wasn't happening.

    I think 86 is more tail happy than Supra. Supra rear tires glue to the road. When I push the Supra through the corner and I "think" it's gonna slide... it's not, it's just keep on gripping. Supra's limit is more than you think. At least 2~3 more than I thought. If I punch it hard THEN rear tires will slip (power slide), but keep in mind to get to that point, you need decent size balls to do it in Shenadoah course. Of course, PSS is stickier tires than 86 plus I drive BRZ daily, so it's easy for me to go side way. Might not be good comparison, but food for thought.
     
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    Singer, Gunther, 356 Outlaws are all builders. There's a difference since they are restoring vintage and classic Porsches. They don't make any aftermarket parts available for sale. Sharkwerks, Getty, BBI are some who make up the aftermarket world. 997 and 991 turbos are the car of choice because it's readily available just like we have domestics and imports available here.

    The German aftermarket isn't anywhere near what the Japanese aftermarket is and that's always been the case. My point is that the German cars designs their cars to be good from the factory and don't rely heavily on aftermarket. They want their car to be great in it's purist form. Then on the other hand, the Japanese manufactures will release a decent car and then depend on the aftermarket support. It worked back in the days with the gentlemen's agreement but not anymore.
     
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    Kon'nichiwa Go! :D

    Yeah, the recent Top Gear review was the latest one I saw there they were sliding it. Farah also managed to slip it a little bit before tc kicked in. So no Primacy HP's on the Supra huh. ;) PSS are good tires but what were they thinking with the 86 to put those tires on.
     
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    All we need now is a tune, maybe a chargepipe, downpipe, and intake and we can easily see 400whp+ and probably get close or hit 600wtq. These BMW I6's really respond well to basic mods.
     
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    #112 May 23, 2019
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    @DesmoSD I've been wanting to quote all of your recent few posts but they're over a span of a few pages. Let me just say this. I too share the exact same sentiments. Except for the very small fact that Japanese "mostly" rely on the aftermarket. They too like the Germans want it to be good stock out of the gate. The only issue is that people have been whining about tuning because of the MkIV. Toyota knows how many tuners and just people in general want a badass Japanese tuner car. They've simply said that "Hey, y'all can tune the car too. Knock yourselves out. We've done some special things to the car for you guys."

    This Toyota is nipping on the heels of the GTS and the 981 GT4 and it's the base model too. I'm a Porsche guy as well (To be honest I am a true automotive enthusiast in such that I am a total racing nut and love and appreciate all cars, or anything on four wheels, or simply wheels, steering wheels too? LOL. You get what I mean.) so I know exactly what you're talking about. Porsche is just killing it nowadays but fucked up with the Cayman/Boxster this time around. That 4-cylinder is trash and actually thirstier than the six.

    To the guy who mention the Porsche tax. That's true. You also have to pay a stupid amount for some features as well. However I have to disagree when it comes to reliability. Porsche is one of the most (if not THE MOST) reliable German car manufacturer in the world. I rarely hear problems from modern Porsches.
     
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    Can attest to that. I have taken my GT4 through countless track days and drive the shit out of it. Plus it's modded and it's been rock solid reliable. The only thing is you gotta be religious with the upkeep. This isn't like a Honda or Lexus that will forgive you if you miss a service.
     
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    Shattered your trans yet?
     
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    I think that’s a fair assessment.

    I would say that there are exceptions to the German rule. BMWs and MBs are known for their modability. Their are immense amounts of parts for both cars, more so the BMWs. I could have cranked several hundred more horsepower out of the F80 for not much money.
     
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    Nope. Actually got it built a while ago though just to be safe.
     
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    For the weight, that's more than enough power. GRMN version will be nutty (especially if they release it with a proper gearbox). It's putting down numbers like super cars were 5 years ago for 50 grand.
     
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    I see. I just don't think about it, if it happens, it happens. Who rebuilt it?
     
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    Less mechanical grip means limits are approached at lower speeds, aka it's easier for beginners, simple as that.

    And in regards to balance, an 86 with 350whp on a 275 sticky square setup and plenty of weight removed can still be balanced. Way more power, way more mechanical grip, a far cry from the stock car. The limits are higher, but at the limit, it still is communicative, easy to read, and progressive. This is what a balanced chassis provides you. The Supra is no exception.

    Now can you screw up that balance? Oh, sure. Put some Mickey's on with skinnies up front, along with 800hp and it probably won't be breaking records on the skidpad, but that's because those modifications are for a different purpose.

    Putting a tune and some tire on this car won't upset the balance one iota, this chassis will handle it and then some.
     
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    I'm not doubting their threshold to mods but my point was that they are well equipped in OEM form. The Japanese and the U.S aftermarket has a lot of parts compared to the European aftermarket; full on turbo kits, interior, exterior, small bits and pieces to fully customize your car.

    The MKV is definitely going to help bridge the gap with the B58 market.


    So how come the 155hp ND Miata came equipped with Potenza S001's. Was it a contract related issue as to why Subaru/Toyota chose Supremacy HP's as their OEM tire?

    Haha, a drag car is whole different discussion. What you mentioned is my point. Now Toyota finally learned the German way by having a entry level performance car with good power, good wheels, good tires, good suspension all in a factory car, a good platform. Now if you want a race version, there's a GT option. Toyota's idea of performance was usually cosmetic.
     

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