Absolutely! Even w/out power steering, their steering is something very special.Porsche steering is second to none. Even the older models are just lovely.
Very nice to hear! I can't wait to test drive one. I just hope it doesn't disappoint me.It gets heavier, similar to the M3 in comfort mode which is where I like it.
I had a 997 C2S and it was a great handling car. I would say this car is a lot more neutral and has more grip. The 997 had some push mid corner but it’s steering was better by a decent amount.
I've pretty much gotten into the mode where I admit it's a dumb idea and pure financial stupidity to buy a new sports car every so often. Not trying to rationalize it helps (within limits -- still have to pay for my kid's college). If you really fall in love with the Supra as it is now, I'd say go for it, and then if a manual version comes out in the future, consider your options and see how you feel. It might not be a big deal to sell/trade for a manual in the grand scheme of things.Got both a supra and an M2C on order at present.
One will get cancelled, but really not sure which one.
Manual M2C I can see being a cult classic down the line, pretty much any fast manual will be as autos become more widespread.
What scares me is that I get an auto supra, and a manual one comes out next yr - I'd be seriously pissed!
The M2C is a vanishing breed within BMW -- small, fun, tossable cars. Current and future M3/M4 cars have gotten big and heavy, and lost a lot of the magic, and the other M cars are bloated even worse (some say M stands for marketing when describing them). A lot of people feel like the M2 has returned to the M car roots established by early M3 generations and the 1M. Whether or not it will be a classic is unknown. It's made in pretty large numbers so it won't be rare like the 1M, that's for sure.I’m confused why everyone thinks the M2 will be special when the new M3 has already confirmed it will have a manual. I’m keeping my C7 Corvette manual because C8 is auto only and will be last front engine manual Corvette!
I agree with what you are saying and I may not have explained myself well. I was thinking more about front end stiffness and rigidity, which was one thing that really jumped out at me when comparing the M2C to the Supra.Nice review. I do have some disagreement, however. I do not think that the stiffness of the suspension translates to sportiness. In the real world, cars like the F80 or F87 would be pretty skittish and unpredictable simply because they are oversprung. I recall getting the rear end of my F80 to step out just easing out of a slightly undulating corner.
I have driven my father in law's Boxster (older model year, don't remember) and 2019 Cayman, but I was being super careful and not really pushing the cars. Never have tried a 911. I thought the Cayman was a delight to drive, but I'd choose a Supra for myself (all else equal). For the money the Supra is pretty awesome.Thanks @s219 for your honest review of the Supra. Given your current car and previous cars that you've driven, have you ever driven a Porsche? I'm more curious by when you said "tossable" since my old 911 has similar specs to the MKV.
I'm holding all judgment until I have the opportunity to drive a MKV at speed and simply amazed on how agile 911's are. I would be nice to see how the MKV feels compared to that.
With that thought process, a Model 3 Performance drives and handles perfectly fine too why bother building an outdated ICE car? It really does need a manual transmission to complete the car.The automatic transmission shifts so perfectly I am not sure why you need a standard transmission.
I don't know if they inherited this from BMW, but the power steering feel in my X3 M40i and M2 is still to light for my taste in comfort and sport modes. I have to program the steering for sport+ on my two BMWs to get the feel I like. It's all artificial of course, since they are just dialing back the amount of power assist to make it feel firm.I've also had the chance to take the new supra out on a track for a few laps and agree with your review. Overall it's a very fun little car. I thought the steering felt a bit light and the brakes were only okay, but proper pads and fluid would likely fix that. The BMW/Toyota thing is strange, but to me quirks make a car and it is certainly unique. I imagine it will become more Toyota as the life cycle progresses, but it isn't as if BMW doesn't make a fun car when they put their minds to it. I'm going to hold off until a manual comes for a fun car, but if anyone doesn't plan on getting the manual anyway you can feel very confident that the zf delivers a fun drive.
You are right on that, the M2C is just 25# lighter than the M4 according to BMW. I don't know why the M4 feels so much heavier than that though, maybe it's just the size.Not throwing salt, but a stripper 6MT F82 M4 weighted almost the same as the original M2. I believe the M2C is a bit heavier with the addition of the S55.
it's very un-mercedes - it's very good. Ratio is 13:1, nice weighting, very good feedback. communicates a lot through the wheel - I'd say far better than any supra (A60/A70/A80). probably on par with Renault Megane RS265.... but less jittery due to tyres/suspension tune.How would you say the steering is on the w204 C63’s?