New (Unconfirmed) Details and Specifications of US-Spec MKV Supra:

[A70TTR]

If the Zed4 is the 3300lb car, would this also mean it's the 60K car as well?

That is something I have yet to confirm, but I'm really thinking the heavy and expensive car is the Z4 at this point. There is some obvious crosstalk between the two for obvious reasons, but being that the BMW employee speaking to the gentlemen a few pages back gave specs for performance trims not available on the Supra I believe it's difficult to discern what is correct without just going by what engineering is saying.

In fact, I really don't believe anything I hear outside engineering anymore because I've been told flat out by the main junior engineer to disregard the information as incorrect due to how many discrepancies there have been.

They certainly don't tell me everything and enjoy playing guessing games, but they also give out the correct information when due, and there have been plenty of wtf moments when I ask about certain things people are saying the car has etc.

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On that note, I am no longer going to put an emphasis on debunking/correcting misinformation. Feel free to PM if you want clarification on something.

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[Modal170]

Just taking it with a grain of salt. Not everything about it has been revealed nor officially announced. Toyota is known for manufacturing and selling affordable, quality, and reliable cars. Many are already disappointed with the rumored price, even die hard fans. Toyota will surprise everyone and make fans and customers happy in the end. Trust me.

Nothing can be leaked without a lawsuit coming through. Also, as A70 has said above, not everything can be discussed or revealed as a lot of red herrings are getting tossed.

If you want a TLDR;

Potential 3050 lbs weight for the supra with potential horsepower varied from 300-400 on the trim. Superior handling to the 86 and twice the rigidity of the 86. Potential to draw more power thanks to the engine's architecture upward to 750 HP without needing to exchange the stock internals. Price supposedly being 50k but lots of options to make a difference maker.

and it's uncertain if a 4cylinder will be sold, but shouldn't be close to the other prices if it is a single turbo.

Be cool if it was called the Celica as a bridge model.

So, potential pricing in a perfect world

Celica 4 Cylinder/turbo 37k 280 HP 3000 lbs to sway people from the 86 if they got the money and want the pwoer.
Twin Turbo Supra 48k 375 HP 3100 lbs with TSS
GRMN version 56k 450 HP 3250 with all the bells and whistles.

 

[A70TTR]

that pricing and spec is wishful to be sure, but it would be awesome if that's how things were lol

again, as recently as a few months ago the forecast by engineering was: 45k 4cyl / 55k 6cyl (~250hp / ~350hp respectively). It's the best bet to keep expectation within those general guidelines; the prices can change for sure, but it's nice to have the actual ballpark they were shooting for.

A GRMN Supra is gonna be decent money, IMO at least +10k on top of the highest standard trim I6 car.

 

[Modal170]

that pricing and spec is wishful to be sure, but it would be awesome if that's how things were lol

again, as recently as a few months ago the forecast by engineering was: 45k 4cyl / 55k 6cyl (~250hp / ~350hp respectively). It's the best bet to keep expectation within those general guidelines... the prices can change for sure, but it's nice to have the actual ballpark they were shooting for.

A GRMN Supra is gonna be decent money, likely +10k on top of the highest standard trim I6 car IMO.

You telling me people would pay 45k for a turbo 4 cylinder capped at 250? I only put the 40k 280 version as it would compete with STi and the hot hatches but at a lower weight and comeptitive pricing and styling. Unless it's like the cayman in weight, then I would be fine with it.

As for the TT and GRMN, 55k sounds fine, a 67-70k fully loaded, next level Supra that's pumping 150 more horsepower than the Cayman S while still somehow staying in the same weight will surely draw people's eyes back to it.

and maybe cause Porsche to make caymans with flat 6's again and give it extra oomph for comeptition/

 

[A70TTR]

you're forgetting that the 4cyl was never designed for the US, and likely makes decent power without the EU particulate filter... that said, I was told two weeks ago 4cyl was no go for USA for like the 20th time, so.

 

[Modal170]

you're forgetting that the 4cyl was never designed for the US, and likely makes over 300hp without the EU particulate filter... that said, I was told two weeks ago 4cyl was no go for USA for like the 20th time, so.

I was speaking more so on the US market. Now that it is actually europe, it's a whole other ball-game. Oh yeah,Japan might get one too.

 

[supraboi]

that pricing and spec is wishful to be sure, but it would be awesome if that's how things were lol

again, as recently as a few months ago the forecast by engineering was: 45k 4cyl / 55k 6cyl (~250hp / ~350hp respectively). It's the best bet to keep expectation within those general guidelines; the prices can change for sure, but it's nice to have the actual ballpark they were shooting for.

A GRMN Supra is gonna be decent money, IMO at least +10k on top of the highest standard trim I6 car.

you're forgetting that the 4cyl was never designed for the US, and likely makes decent power without the EU particulate filter... that said, I was told two weeks ago 4cyl was no go for USA for like the 20th time, so.

$45k for a 4 banger... Lol, you almost gave me a heart attack for a minute. Yeah it would be DOA if it did came to the US with that price tag.

 

[Chikane]

well, that was a fun 5-6 pages of reading. I'll just sit here and keep my mouth shut and just enjoy the posts.

I'm definitely in the category that will cross shop this MKV with an RCF. Heck depending on how things goes I might just drop in on an LC and call it a day.

I'll have to live out of the car tho.

 

[Levi]

$45k for a 4 banger... Lol, you almost gave me a heart attack for a minute. Yeah it would be DOA if it did came to the US with that price tag.

Just for reference in France, and I remind you the Audi TT/-S/-RS Coupe, 2+2 Seats, AWD, not really light is basically a modified VW Golf.

€ 47K for a 230 PS TT
€ 60K for a 310 PS TT-S
€ 75K for a 400 PS TT-RS

That is 60K for a 4 banger as you say. For this money you get a bespoke Alfa 4C or Alpine A110 or Lotus.


However light the Supra is, under 400 PS is little. Every performance hatch makes that now. Even the 718 Cayman is underpowered for what it should have, but Porsche underpowers and overprices it, because if not it would rape the 911, can do that to "heritage".

I'm definitely in the category that will cross shop this MKV with an RCF. Heck depending on how things goes I might just drop in on an LC and call it a day.

I'll have to live out of the car tho.

RC F should get a performance update. But I don't know if true. Ask A70TTR, otherwise you are in for another wait.

 

[Chikane]

RC F should get a performance update. But I don't know if true. Ask A70TTR, otherwise you are in for another wait.

Thanks! I'm waiting a bit till my next car, I just got something in 2017 so no need for an update anytime soon : ) It's why I can patiently wait.

 

[Maverick56]

Thoughts?

 

[mkivalex]

This thread is starting to make my head hurt! So much speculation!

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

Thoughts?

Wrong thread, and repost.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toyota-supra-finally-spied-testing-stateside.618/page-15

 

[A70TTR]

RC F should get a performance update. But I don't know if true. Ask A70TTR, otherwise you are in for another wait.

There is a refresh coming that will still include the same 5L V8, but they bumped power up slightly (wanna say someone mentioned 490hp). It's basically new front end, rear, and I think the trunk iirc.

 

[Modal170]

There is a refresh coming that will still include the same 5L V8, but they bumped power up slightly (wanna say someone mentioned 490hp). It's basically new front end, rear, and I think the trunk iirc.

Is it still overweight for the sake of luxurious ride quality?

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