News, Updates, and Discussions on next-gen A100 Supra

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Why. The BMW Supra is better than anything Toyota is likely to produce. Have you sat in a GR Yaris or Corolla? They're horrid compared to the Supra. The GR Yaris passenger seat isn't even usable if you are over 5"10!

This comment makes no god damn sense lol. I love the A90, but not sure what that has to do with the GR Corolla or GR Yaris. Also their interiors are actually pretty nice if you get a higher trim.

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[F1 Silver Arrows]

I don't really understand this mindset the Mark IV purists have. The MKIV Supra wasn't even a Toyota-only affair like people like to think. The head on the 2JZ was built by Yamaha, and the transmission was built by Getrag, a German supplier, just like ZF is a German supplier for the transmission in the Mark V. The B58 is a reliable closed deck inline 6 capable of making huge power with mods. We should be happy.

I'm not a MKIV purist. Anyone that knows me knows that I just want an inline-six. If Toyota builds it then hooray, if not, then give me the codeveloped project any day of the week. I adore the B58 and I don't want a V6.

 

[e_iva]

I can't see Toyota developing a clean-sheet, inline 6 for the next Supra. To make that work, they'd either have to increase the price of the car, probably a significant amount, or put the engine in a number of cars to spread the cost around.

I'd vote for option #2, but even then, I can't think of a model in Toyota's lineup that needs an engine like that, especially considering all of the new powerplants they've put together relatively recently (thinking of TTV6 in the LS500/Tundra/Sequoia and the 2.4T in the 2024 Tacoma, Lexus NX, and others). I don't think Toyota can justify the low volume that potential new engine would command.

 

[Cptnslo]

Haven't they basically moved everything to Motomachi?

Not even remotely

 

[BMWAF]

This comment makes no god damn sense lol. I love the A90, but not sure what that has to do with the GR Corolla or GR Yaris. Also their interiors are actually pretty nice if you get a higher trim.

It's simple. All current Toyota's other than the Supra are shit.. particularly the interior. They are poorly designed and poorly built. They look and feel cheap and are in no way comparable to even two year old BMW interiors.. aka, the Mark V Supra.

When people suggest an all Toyota Supra would be better than the current BMW one, they glossing over the fact that by and large, Toyota doesn't produce cars in the same league as BMW.

That's why I asked @PerformanceSound to rattle off a CURRENT Toyota that is better than the Supra. Either the word current threw him or he just wanted an excuse to tell us about his Mark IV which by almost all metrics isn't as good as the Mark V anyway.. Or just maybe, no such Toyota exists.

Considering this, an all Toyota Supra would've sucked.. and wishing for one is just daft.

 

[PerformanceSound]

Will next gen have a manual?

It's simple. All current Toyota's other than the Supra are shit.. particularly the interior. They are poorly designed and poorly built. They look and feel cheap and are in no way comparable to even two year old BMW interiors.. aka, the Mark V Supra.

When people suggest an all Toyota Supra would be better than the current BMW one, they glossing over the fact that by and large, Toyota doesn't produce cars in the same league as BMW.

That's why I asked @PerformanceSound to rattle off a CURRENT Toyota that is better than the Supra. Either the word current threw him or he just wanted an excuse to tell us about his Mark IV which by almost all metrics isn't as good as the Mark V anyway.. Or just maybe, no such Toyota exists.

Considering this, an all Toyota Supra would've sucked.. and wishing for one is just daft.

I just wanted an excuse to tell you about my MKIV Supra.

Your story makes alot of sense, I mean you hate on Toyota yet you are purchasing a Toyota knowing full well it rides on a BMW architecture when a nearly identical version is made by BMW???…..yeah, makes alot of sense.

Good luck with your purchase!

 

[C-Pike]

I know. One is entirely made from shitty Toyota parts. ?

But I'll play along.. out of Toyota's current inventory, please tell me which model is better than the one made pretty much exclusively from BMW parts? You Toyota fanboys are delusional.

Not current but Im very intrested in what is to become of this

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toyota-gr-gt3-concept-lexus-lfr.12040/

 

[BMWAF]

I just wanted an excuse to tell you about my MKIV Supra.

Your story makes alot of sense, I mean you hate on Toyota yet you are purchasing a Toyota knowing full well it rides on a BMW architecture when a nearly identical version is made by BMW???…..yeah, makes alot of sense.

Good luck with your purchase!

It does. The branding on the front of the vehicle is irrelevant to me. The Supra is a great car based on the sum of its parts and the package as a whole. I believe that if Toyota had've made the Supra all on their own, we would've seen something akin to the wholly disappointing Nissan Z. ?‍

Besides, I'm not hating on Toyota, I'm just saying their cars are all pretty average compared to the Supra. And furthermore, I'm suggesting that's because the Supra is underpinned by a much higher classed manufacturer in BMW.

Here in Australia, the Supra is essentially a cut price BMW. The Z4 is roughly $26,000USD more expensive here!

 

[Stvee]

We are happy, who said we are not happy?

I'm not a MKIV purist....actually im more of a Nissan fan than any other Japanese brand. I actually tried tirelessly to get a R34 stateside for months and no luck. I own a MKIV because it is a vehicle that symbolizes what Japan is capable of when the big wigs say, "ok...have at it" to the engineers. However, to think that Toyota isn't capable of engineering a motor to outperform a BMW motor is ridiculous. Truth be told, there are vastly more Toyota's that have much higher resale values than BMW vehicles....for a reason. Just because a manufacturer makes alot of something, doesn't mean they are "king." That just means they approached their manufacturing differently. Ford F-150's are the best selling fullsized pickups in America, yet the Tundra's resale is almost always more than that of an F-150's.

Also, some misinformation about the 2JZ in your post...head wasn't built by Yamaha.

I never said Toyota can’t make a good inline 6. The 2jz was good, they just spent way too much money overengineering it and in the process making the car way too expensive. The main reason they’re so expensive today is because they barely sold any.

BMW is the king of inline 6s because they have a bunch of great ones whereas Toyota has one they made 30 years ago.

Im sure Toyota could have made a great Supra on their own, it would just be way too expensive like the mkiv was. They even admitted as much.

 

[johnnyskids]

Speaking of the whole BMW Supra vs Toyota Supra debate. How about some middle ground where we hoped for a Toyota powertrain with the reliability and mod friendly like this BMW sourced engine but with a Lexus interior. You aren’t wrong in saying all current Toyotas are cheap feeling inside, but can’t say the same with their Lexus counterpart. I don’t agree with the whole “poorly made” part for Toyota products, they are all well put together, but utilitarian in nature.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

It's simple. All current Toyota's other than the Supra are shit.. particularly the interior. They are poorly designed and poorly built. They look and feel cheap and are in no way comparable to even two year old BMW interiors.. aka, the Mark V Supra.

When people suggest an all Toyota Supra would be better than the current BMW one, they glossing over the fact that by and large, Toyota doesn't produce cars in the same league as BMW.

That's why I asked @PerformanceSound to rattle off a CURRENT Toyota that is better than the Supra. Either the word current threw him or he just wanted an excuse to tell us about his Mark IV which by almost all metrics isn't as good as the Mark V anyway.. Or just maybe, no such Toyota exists.

Considering this, an all Toyota Supra would've sucked.. and wishing for one is just daft.

Dawg shut your ass up. ??

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

Also, some misinformation about the 2JZ in your post...head wasn't built by Yamaha.

Yeah, smh at some of these comments.

I never said Toyota can’t make a good inline 6. The 2jz was good, they just spent way too much money overengineering it and in the process making the car way too expensive. The main reason they’re so expensive today is because they barely sold any.

I don't know who told you that, but many Japanese sports cars were stupidly expensive during the 90s due to the rising yen and the Japanese banking crisis. Another flaw in your logic is rarity does not always equal desirability. Case in point, Mazda sold around the same amount of FD RX7s as A80 MKIV Supra. However, the former can still be had in the +/-$30k range. Even pristine examples are not reaching anywhere near the six-figure territory.

 

[C-Pike]

I don't know who told you that, but many Japanese sports cars were stupidly expensive during the 90s due to the rising yen and the Japanese banking crisis. Another flaw in your logic is rarity does not always equal desirability. Case in point, Mazda sold around the same amount of FD RX7s as A80 MKIV Supra. However, the former can still be had in the +/-$30k range. Even pristine examples are not reaching anywhere near the six-figure territory.

I was only able to find one that sold for $137k but yeah most of them seem to go anywhere from $25k-$60k

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-231/

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

I was only able to find one that sold for $137k but yeah most of them seem to go anywhere from $25k-$60k

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-231/

I stand corrected but that example does seem to be an outliner, and the fact that it's like new with only 4,800 miles.

 

[BMWAF]

Okay, not sure if this has been talked about at all on here, I did a quick search and nothing popped up. I have it from a fairly reliable source that the head of Toyota North America stated in a recent meeting in Mexico that the 2024 and 2025 Supras will be a 100% Toyota produced product. What I was told is Toyota has not been happy with the partnership and the engines and is killing the partnership after the 2023 models.

anyone else hear this and can confirm the validity?

So, are you going to go to your failry reliable source and call this as the obvious bullshit that it always was?

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