Petition To Toyota For Manual Transmission.

[SupraFiend]

Yup. Also don't forget Toyota introduced the manual option to the original is300 in subsequent model years, wasn't available the first year.

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[Jeff Lange]

Yup. Also don't forget Toyota introduced the manual option to the original is300 in subsequent model years, wasn't available the first year.

Not only was it introduced after one year of production, but it wasn't completely just off the shelf components like the W58 from the same engine in the Supra, but a W55 with a unique bellhousing, clutch and release bearing setup and dual-mass flywheel, all of which are unique to the US/Canada-market IS300.

Jeff

 

[Australian of The North]

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[SupraFiend]

Still, the new Z4 apparently has one so most of that will have been mitigated. Short answer, keep signing the petition!

 

[A70TTR]

should change the petition to: 'please toyota, forgo TSS on this car, it's more BMW than anything anyways'

lol

 

[LEG1T]

Which would affect your buying decision for the Supra, Toyota Safety Sense or a Manual Transmission?

Vote.

 

[solidsamir]

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) announced today that 20 automakers have agreed to make automatic emergency braking (AEB) standard by September 1st, 2022, representing "more than 99 percent" of the US auto market."

Toyota likely agreed to this as well. Therefore, if they want the car to abide by standards which may become law in 5-6, 10 years...they need to have AEB and other aspects of TSS.

 

[Blupra]

Still, the new Z4 apparently has one so most of that will have been mitigated. Short answer, keep signing the petition!

should change the petition to: 'please toyota, forgo TSS on this car, it's more BMW than anything anyways'

lol

@Australian of The North - I see your point on economics and the ten ass monkey and I hope Toyota considers more than just the measurable economics of this. They may be able to predict with some level of confidence that they will sell 10,000 (hypothetical number I pulled out of thin air) Supras if its auto only and they will sell 12,000 if offered in a manual but it will be 7,000 auto and 5,000 manual and they can determine that the additional 2,000 sales are not worth the extra costs involved. BTW, I'm probably part of that 2,000 that would only buy the manual.

What I hope they factor in to that decision is something that is very difficult to measure, and that is how many more people will buy the car and be a fan of the car and speak well of the car because of the MT... how many more people will want to buy it used which will help keep prices up and keep original owners more satisfied with their purchase and more likely to buy another new supra... how many of those used buyers only bought the car because it was a manual and became supra fans and bought a new supra (or Toyota or Lexus) later in life because of it... or because everyone loves the new MT supra, Toyota will then sell more GT86 and other sports cars, or Gazoo will take off due to the stellar reputation of the supra... who knows. If there is no manual, maybe those 2,000 buyers buy competitors cars and fall in love with them and become lifelong fans of the competition instead of lifelong Toyota supra fans. Its nearly impossible to predict this stuff but I hope they try, I hope they consider these and other things.

Long live the manual!!!

I'm off to drive my S2000 now, a car made ONLY with a manual transmission! Its not about 0-60 or lap times (heck, my 269hp RAV4 is nearly as fast in a straight line as my S2000) its about how the car makes you feel!

 

[Lexusisf]

Sorry Leg1T, not sure I understand the purpose of this poll?

 

[RB26DETT]

@Australian of The North - I see your point on economics and the ten ass monkey and I hope Toyota considers more than just the measurable economics of this. They may be able to predict with some level of confidence that they will sell 10,000 (hypothetical number I pulled out of thin air) Supras if its auto only and they will sell 12,000 if offered in a manual but it will be 7,000 auto and 5,000 manual and they can determine that the additional 2,000 sales are not worth the extra costs involved. BTW, I'm probably part of that 2,000 that would only buy the manual.

What I hope they factor in to that decision is something that is very difficult to measure, and that is how many more people will buy the car and be a fan of the car and speak well of the car because of the MT... how many more people will want to buy it used which will help keep prices up and keep original owners more satisfied with their purchase and more likely to buy another new supra... how many of those used buyers only bought the car because it was a manual and became supra fans and bought a new supra (or Toyota or Lexus) later in life because of it... or because everyone loves the new MT supra, Toyota will then sell more GT86 and other sports cars, or Gazoo will take off due to the stellar reputation of the supra... who knows. If there is no manual, maybe those 2,000 buyers buy competitors cars and fall in love with them and become lifelong fans of the competition instead of lifelong Toyota supra fans. Its nearly impossible to predict this stuff but I hope they try, I hope they consider these and other things.

Long live the manual!!!

I'm off to drive my S2000 now, a car made ONLY with a manual transmission! Its not about 0-60 or lap times (heck, my 269hp RAV4 is nearly as fast in a straight line as my S2000) its about how the car makes you feel!

You got it! Supra without a manual transmission make me considering the below right now. I hope the next z will have manual.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news...green-light-475-hp-awd-nismo-version-in-works

 

[mkivalex]

Why do we need polls for everything!?

 

[Vaevictum]

speaking of what would affect my decision, a Forbes article stated to expect costs for the base model at 40K and turbo at 55K+, not as bad as some of the ~65-80K figures being thrown around. Who knows if Forbes is accurate/maybe they're underestimating, but that makes this thing way more affordable. I'm losing some weight and cutting whatever corners I need to get one in my garage at that price range

"While Tada remained tight-lipped about pricing for the new Supra, he did say that Toyota could not build the coupe for anything close to the $35,000 sticker price of the predecessor. Expect prices to start in the high 40s and 55-plus for the turbo model. For those who can’t wait until the 2019 spring launch, why not try this new coupe in the virtual world on the updated Gran Turismo Sport edition due to go on sale in April. That’s where I’ll be starting."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterl...gets-porsche-with-help-from-bmw/#74e85932499c

P.S. The outcry for a manual has been heard. Tada stated he had been questioned by "Dozens of western journalists" about a manual transmission, then he went on to say he really doesn't think manual is an option. Hopefully, continued pressure leads to a manual option, but we might be better off figuring out how to do the rumored manual swap from another thread if we want something in the near future.

 

[Blupra]

None of my cars have TSS and I have never been in an accident in 20+ years of driving. I understand its benefits but personally don't want/need it.

I need a manual transmission in a sports car.

 

[Australian of The North]

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[HKz]

Toyota Safety sense is borderline irrelevant, not because of safety, but because i expect it to be standard in every single Toyota, it should be a non conversation item, especially for the new supra.

If its not a standard feature, then it would make Toyota almost as bad as I consider ford with their attitude to the export mustang - In my opinion, fords attitude is very simple to interpret as -> "we don't give a sh#t about our customers, leave out the safety stuff, who t.f cares if its one of the most dangerous cars on the road.... it wont be tested, customers wont know, and it will save us money, fukc them all".

Hopefully Toyota will take a different attitude of "this is too important to leave out, make it standard"

So that then only leaves the manual box question - and on that front, that I'm perfectly happy with a flappy paddle box.
I like the Manual Box idea, But I've got my Mk IV for that. Hell an Auto in the MK V could even be on the cards for me.

It's performance value thatmatters most to me. It has to be a fkn Lunatic car without the lunatic price - but that's for a different thread.

you're asking for a slippery slope that no true enthusiast wants since all these "advancements" are taking the human driver further and further away from actually controlling their machine (not to mention it only continues to further inflate prices for consumers). The Mustang is not inherently dangerous, Ford isn't to blame here...that issue is more like muscle cars are the cheapest way to get serious power and normally that tends to get more inexperienced & reckless drivers, no different than the Camaro or Vette...

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